Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:14 pm
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:00 pm
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:21 pm
ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:26 pm
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:32 pm
wez1927 wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Racist for going against islamic extremist?
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:36 pm
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:43 pm
ccfcsince1962 wrote:wez1927 wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Racist for going against islamic extremist?
No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.
Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:55 pm
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:04 pm
ccfcsince1962 wrote:wez1927 wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Racist for going against islamic extremist?
No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.
Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:15 pm
dogfound wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:wez1927 wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Racist for going against islamic extremist?
No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.
Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.
ill educated based on the rubbish he spouted .....such as.?
condemns everyone that happens to have brown skin...can you back this up?
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:25 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:dogfound wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:wez1927 wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Racist for going against islamic extremist?
No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.
Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.
ill educated based on the rubbish he spouted .....such as.?
condemns everyone that happens to have brown skin...can you back this up?
Of course he can't - there is literally nothing at all anywhere that implicates Tommy Robinson as having said or having even harboured racist views.
Anti Islam yep but genuinely saying anything racist or anything that relates to the colour of peoples skin not a chance - It literally isn't there.
Doesn't stop people saying it with absolutely no evidence. The MSM have told him that Tommy Robinson is a nasty racist and they lap it up without a second thought.
FOR FANNY ADAM'S SAKE WHEN WE PEOPLE START THINKING FOR THEMSELVES AGAIN AND BASE THEIR OPINION ON ACTUAL VERIFIABLE FACT RATHER THAN THE BULLSHIT PEDDLED BY AN AGENDA RIDDLED MEDI
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:34 pm
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:41 pm
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:52 pm
Dave67 wrote:TOMMY ROBINSON BIOGRAPHY
Robinson joined the British National Party in 2004. When questioned about this by the BBC's Andrew Neil in June 2013, he claimed that he had left after one year, saying, "I didn't know Nick Griffin was in the National Front, I didn't know non-whites couldn't join the organisation. I joined, I saw what it was about, it was not for me".
English Defence League
Yaxley-Lennon uses the alias "Tommy Robinson", taking the name of a prominent member of the "Men In Gear" (MIG) football hooligan crew, which follows Luton Town Football Club.
In August 2009, he became leader of the newly established English Defence League with his cousin, Kevin Carroll, its deputy leader.
In 2012 Robinson announced that he had joined the British Freedom Party (BFP). He was appointed its joint vice-chairman along with Carroll after the two groups agreed an electoral pact in 2011. However, on 11 October 2012, Robinson resigned from the BFP to concentrate on EDL activities.
On 24 August 2010, Robinson was involved in a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton, on the evening that the two clubs played at Kenilworth Road. Robinson reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting a 100-man brawl, during which he chanted "EDL till I die". Eleven months later, in July 2011, he was convicted of having used "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" on the night of the incident. He was given a 12-month community rehabilitation order and a three-year ban from attending football matches. He was also sentenced to 150 hours' unpaid work, and ordered to pay £650 in costs.
Robinson was arrested after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets on 3 September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending that demonstration. After his arrest, Robinson began a hunger strike in custody in Bedford Prison, saying that he was a "political prisoner of the state", and refused to eat what he believed was halal meat. A local paper reported that Bedford Prison sources had said that the hunger strike lasted only 24 hours. A handful of EDL supporters protested outside the prison in support of Robinson during his incarceration; the support peaked at a turnout of 100 protesters on 10 September. Robinson was released from prison on 12 September.
On 29 September 2011, he was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year. He was given a 12-week jail term, suspended for 12 months.
On 8 November 2011, Robinson held a protest on the rooftop of the FIFA headquarters in Zürich against FIFA's ruling that the England national football team could not wear a Remembrance poppy symbol on their shirts. For this he was fined £3,000 and jailed for three days.
In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the U.S. illegally. Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using someone else's passport—"possession of a false identity document with improper intention"—to travel to the United States in September 2012, and was sentenced in January to 10 months imprisonment. He was sentenced under the name of Stephen Lennon, but the judge added that he suspected it was not his true name, in the sense that it was not the name on his own passport. He was released on electronic tag on 22 February 2013.
Robinson was transferred to HM Prison Winchester after being assaulted at HM Prison Woodhill
On 28 November 2012, Robinson was charged with three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation in relation to a mortgage application, facing trial with five other defendants. He pleaded guilty to two charges in November 2013, and on 23 January 2014 he was sentenced to 18 months in prison.
Early in June 2014 Robinson was released, after having served almost six months of his sentence. The terms of his early release included a condition preventing contact with the EDL until the end of his original sentence in June 2015. He was due to talk to the Oxford Union in October 2014, but before the event he was recalled to prison, for allegedly breaching the terms of his licence; he was ultimately released on 14 November 2014.
After finishing the licence at the end of his conviction, Robinson returned to anti-Islam demonstrations with Pegida, a German organisation founded in Dresden amid the European migrant crisis. He announced the creation of a British chapter of Pegida in December 2015.
Robinson travelled to watch UEFA Euro 2016 in France and demonstrated with a T-shirt and English flag ridiculing the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Bedfordshire Police gave him a football banning order on his return;
Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:07 am
Dave67 wrote:TOMMY ROBINSON BIOGRAPHY
Robinson joined the British National Party in 2004. When questioned about this by the BBC's Andrew Neil in June 2013, he claimed that he had left after one year, saying, "I didn't know Nick Griffin was in the National Front, I didn't know non-whites couldn't join the organisation. I joined, I saw what it was about, it was not for me".
English Defence League
Yaxley-Lennon uses the alias "Tommy Robinson", taking the name of a prominent member of the "Men In Gear" (MIG) football hooligan crew, which follows Luton Town Football Club.
In August 2009, he became leader of the newly established English Defence League with his cousin, Kevin Carroll, its deputy leader.
In 2012 Robinson announced that he had joined the British Freedom Party (BFP). He was appointed its joint vice-chairman along with Carroll after the two groups agreed an electoral pact in 2011. However, on 11 October 2012, Robinson resigned from the BFP to concentrate on EDL activities.
On 24 August 2010, Robinson was involved in a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton, on the evening that the two clubs played at Kenilworth Road. Robinson reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting a 100-man brawl, during which he chanted "EDL till I die". Eleven months later, in July 2011, he was convicted of having used "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" on the night of the incident. He was given a 12-month community rehabilitation order and a three-year ban from attending football matches. He was also sentenced to 150 hours' unpaid work, and ordered to pay £650 in costs.
Robinson was arrested after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets on 3 September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending that demonstration. After his arrest, Robinson began a hunger strike in custody in Bedford Prison, saying that he was a "political prisoner of the state", and refused to eat what he believed was halal meat. A local paper reported that Bedford Prison sources had said that the hunger strike lasted only 24 hours. A handful of EDL supporters protested outside the prison in support of Robinson during his incarceration; the support peaked at a turnout of 100 protesters on 10 September. Robinson was released from prison on 12 September.
On 29 September 2011, he was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year. He was given a 12-week jail term, suspended for 12 months.
On 8 November 2011, Robinson held a protest on the rooftop of the FIFA headquarters in Zürich against FIFA's ruling that the England national football team could not wear a Remembrance poppy symbol on their shirts. For this he was fined £3,000 and jailed for three days.
In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the U.S. illegally. Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using someone else's passport—"possession of a false identity document with improper intention"—to travel to the United States in September 2012, and was sentenced in January to 10 months imprisonment. He was sentenced under the name of Stephen Lennon, but the judge added that he suspected it was not his true name, in the sense that it was not the name on his own passport. He was released on electronic tag on 22 February 2013.
Robinson was transferred to HM Prison Winchester after being assaulted at HM Prison Woodhill
On 28 November 2012, Robinson was charged with three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation in relation to a mortgage application, facing trial with five other defendants. He pleaded guilty to two charges in November 2013, and on 23 January 2014 he was sentenced to 18 months in prison.
Early in June 2014 Robinson was released, after having served almost six months of his sentence. The terms of his early release included a condition preventing contact with the EDL until the end of his original sentence in June 2015. He was due to talk to the Oxford Union in October 2014, but before the event he was recalled to prison, for allegedly breaching the terms of his licence; he was ultimately released on 14 November 2014.
After finishing the licence at the end of his conviction, Robinson returned to anti-Islam demonstrations with Pegida, a German organisation founded in Dresden amid the European migrant crisis. He announced the creation of a British chapter of Pegida in December 2015.
Robinson travelled to watch UEFA Euro 2016 in France and demonstrated with a T-shirt and English flag ridiculing the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Bedfordshire Police gave him a football banning order on his return;
Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:27 am
Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:53 am
Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:54 am
ccfcsince1962 wrote:wez1927 wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Racist for going against islamic extremist?
No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.
Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.
Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:00 am
Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:20 am
Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:35 am
Mac wrote:He punches like a girl!! If I was a Muslim I'd be terrified
Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:50 am
Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:58 am
ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:04 am
Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:04 am
Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:10 am
Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:17 am
Jock wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Sanctimonious shite, time you grew up, got your head out your arse and looked at facts, you remind me of the Antifa clowns who don't even know why they're protesting but like to shout racist. Furthermore Islam is not a race, a guy I know converted, (he's a white Glaswegian) its more of a twisted political ideology . Perhaps get some facts before you condemn anyone who doesn't agree with your one eyed world view as racist and not right minded.
Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:31 am
AfricanBluebird wrote:I've watched his videos of his speeches and I observe a few things.
One, I fundamentally disagree with many of his points. Two, he is not particularly bright. Three, he seems to be on the list of people whom the authorities have taken against (wrongly or rightly) due to his past activities and involvement in far right groups. Four, when he does make a relevant point (like England team wearing the poppy) then he isn't communicating it well and starts mixing up issues and lacks coherence, hence losing even more credibility.
He seems to like being provoked in order to gain more publicity and ammunition.
Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:41 am
SnackaJack wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:I've watched his videos of his speeches and I observe a few things.
One, I fundamentally disagree with many of his points. Two, he is not particularly bright. Three, he seems to be on the list of people whom the authorities have taken against (wrongly or rightly) due to his past activities and involvement in far right groups. Four, when he does make a relevant point (like England team wearing the poppy) then he isn't communicating it well and starts mixing up issues and lacks coherence, hence losing even more credibility.
He seems to like being provoked in order to gain more publicity and ammunition.
You fundamentally disagree with Mosques not being allowed to have hate preachers preach at their mosques??? That seems to be his main issue at the moment.
Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:50 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Jock wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis
That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.
The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.
Sanctimonious shite, time you grew up, got your head out your arse and looked at facts, you remind me of the Antifa clowns who don't even know why they're protesting but like to shout racist. Furthermore Islam is not a race, a guy I know converted, (he's a white Glaswegian) its more of a twisted political ideology . Perhaps get some facts before you condemn anyone who doesn't agree with your one eyed world view as racist and not right minded.
Firstly I totally agree with your view on using the word racist, it is lazy and for too long it has been seen as a trump card to close down debate on religious, race or immigration issues.
That said Keith is allowed his view which if put better would say something along the lines of TR seems to have a problem with immigrants/Muslims.
I have debated with him before and I think his big problem on this matter is he doesn't live with the direct impacts of mass immigration and the pressures it puts on local services such as schools, healthcare and housing.
It is easy to be benevolent when it is not you being pushed further down a housing list (for example) because a new refugee arrival is deemed as having a 'greater need' than yourself even though you have waited years for a council house and paid thousands in direct taxes.