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Postby Tony Blue Williams » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:00 pm

murphy wrote:
SnackaJack wrote:Also important to note that neither Islam or radical Islam is race. Ginger, paler than pale Paul Scholes could covert to either tomorrow, yet he wouldn't change his race. It is an issue with an intolerant divisive version of a religion - not a race.


Correct, a ginger white Muslim convert Muslim from Tredegar has recently been jailed for a terror offence.


A few years ago there was that white fella with mental health issues from Plymouth who was radicalised by Muslims and attempted to detonate a bomb in a restaurant in Exeter.

So when Tommy Robinson is talking about Muslims by definition he can't be a racist as not all Muslims are of the same race. Probably a better description is Islamophobia although a 'phobia' is described as 'an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.'
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Re: Tommy Robinson "What Really Happened "

Postby murphy » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:14 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
murphy wrote:
SnackaJack wrote:Also important to note that neither Islam or radical Islam is race. Ginger, paler than pale Paul Scholes could covert to either tomorrow, yet he wouldn't change his race. It is an issue with an intolerant divisive version of a religion - not a race.


Correct, a ginger white Muslim convert Muslim from Tredegar has recently been jailed for a terror offence.


A few years ago there was that white fella with mental health issues from Plymouth who was radicalised by Muslims and attempted to detonate a bomb in a restaurant in Exeter.

So when Tommy Robinson is talking about Muslims by definition he can't be a racist as not all Muslims are of the same race. Probably a better description is Islamophobia although a 'phobia' is described as 'an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.'


Yes I remember that incident in Plymouth.
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Re: Tommy Robinson "What Really Happened "

Postby ealing_ayatollah » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:38 pm

bluebird04 wrote:I also seem to recall the rapper "Akala" and him debating on a bbc3 show a few years ago, and Akala put him in his place.


In fairness it was hardly a balanced crowd.

It was essentially a very left leaning crowd with people queuing up to call Tommy Robinson racist, with none of them actually supporting their assertions. Also it was clear that TR was still pretty wet behind the ears at that point and hadn't really developed his position as fully as he has now. His position hasn't changed per say but he is certainly more comfortable in debate today.

I remember when I watched it first time out thinking that it was just easy pickings for Akala, who in fairness came across quite well spoken and who put forward some decent reasoned debate - but he was never challenged, the only person arguing against him was TR and he wasn't given the right to reply.

In actuality his arguments were weak and someone like Douglas Murray would have wiped the floor with him.

For example Akala got the biggest cheer of the night when he mentioned Islam introducing Algebra, Mathematics and Science into Europe. I'd have loved to know his opinion on Islam's invention of the african slave trade during the same period was for a start...

I'd agree that on the night TR cut a pretty forlorn figure, whilst Akala was warmly received (in fairness he seems like a fairly likeable fella) but I don't think i'd go as far as saying he put TR in his place and I certainly don't think Akala had a particularly robust set of arguments - he does strike me as someone who is able to mask a lack of substance and depth in his comments through his eloquence and grasp of the english language.

Pretty much the opposite of TR in fact, who generally has well researched and reasoned arguments but doesn't always have the composure and eloquence to get the point across.

Robinson on this particular show did admittedly seem of his depth a wee bit - but he has come on along way since though, particularly since being backed by Rebel Media, in terms of being able to hold his own in such shows.

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Postby Nuclearblue » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:00 pm

The left constantly whinge that Corbyn is unfairly labled and bullied etc etc but hypocriticaly do the same to Tommy Robinson.
Fair play not many stand up to Radical Islam and the establishment and the violent far left but Tommy does so fair play to him
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Re: Tommy Robinson "What Really Happened "

Postby glas » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:04 am

ccfcsince1962 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis

That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.

The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.

Racist for going against islamic extremist?


No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.

Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.


You obviously didn't see the whole Piers Morgan incident (can't call it an interview as Morgan just talks/shouts to people, giving his views). But then if you agree with Morgan you will see nothing wrong in that - as he doe not see another point of view to his own.

Calling someone ill educated is not good coming from someone who starts a sentence with the word "and, although at least you gave it a capital letter. Ask your English teacher.
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Re: Tommy Robinson "What Really Happened "

Postby Jock » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:21 am

glas wrote:
ccfcsince1962 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis

That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.

The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.

Racist for going against islamic extremist?


No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.

Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.


You obviously didn't see the whole Piers Morgan incident (can't call it an interview as Morgan just talks/shouts to people, giving his views). But then if you agree with Morgan you will see nothing wrong in that - as he doe not see another point of view to his own.

Calling someone ill educated is not good coming from someone who starts a sentence with the word "and, although at least you gave it a capital letter. Ask your English teacher.

He has the political naivety of a first year student and his argument seems to b based on squealing racist and suggesting anyone who disagrees with him is a bit thick.
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Re: Tommy Robinson "What Really Happened "

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:49 am

glas wrote:
You obviously didn't see the whole Piers Morgan incident (can't call it an interview as Morgan just talks/shouts to people, giving his views). But then if you agree with Morgan you will see nothing wrong in that - as he doe not see another point of view to his own.

Calling someone ill educated is not good coming from someone who starts a sentence with the word "and, although at least you gave it a capital letter. Ask your English teacher.


Could your mocking of a Scotsman over his use of English be considered a little racist? :!:
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Re: Tommy Robinson "What Really Happened "

Postby Steve Zodiak » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:58 am

glas wrote:
ccfcsince1962 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis

That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.

The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.

Racist for going against islamic extremist?


No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.

Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.


You obviously didn't see the whole Piers Morgan incident (can't call it an interview as Morgan just talks/shouts to people, giving his views). But then if you agree with Morgan you will see nothing wrong in that - as he doe not see another point of view to his own.

Calling someone ill educated is not good coming from someone who starts a sentence with the word "and, although at least you gave it a capital letter. Ask your English teacher.

I saw the complete "interview" if that's what it could be called. It was more like a naughty boy sitting on a chair being shouted at by Piers Morgan. To be honest, irrespective of your views on Tommy Robinson, there was little point in him turning up for this interview as every time he tried to answer a question he was shouted down by Morgan. If you are going to ask someone a question, you should at least have the courtesy to give them the opportunity to answer.
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Re: Tommy Robinson "What Really Happened "

Postby Jock » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:11 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
glas wrote:
You obviously didn't see the whole Piers Morgan incident (can't call it an interview as Morgan just talks/shouts to people, giving his views). But then if you agree with Morgan you will see nothing wrong in that - as he doe not see another point of view to his own.

Calling someone ill educated is not good coming from someone who starts a sentence with the word "and, although at least you gave it a capital letter. Ask your English teacher.


Could your mocking of a Scotsman over his use of English be considered a little racist? :!:

It wasn't directed at me but I'm taking offence to the racist mofo anyway.
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Re: Tommy Robinson "What Really Happened "

Postby Bakedalasker » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:55 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
glas wrote:
ccfcsince1962 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
ccfcsince1962 wrote:Annis

That is just a Tommy Robinson (or whichever of the several name changes he is currently using) view.

The view of the vast majority of right minded people who have seen his actual actions and witnessed his expressed opinions Is that he is a racist , ill educated thug. His appearance on t.v. with Piers Morgan demonstrated this pretty clearly.

Racist for going against islamic extremist?


No.Racist for his diatribes against the entire Islamic faith . And ill educated based upon the inaccurate rubbish he spouts in front of the cameras, including the Piers Morgan interview example.

Nothing at all wrong ( indeed it should be encouraged)in condemning extremism, particularly violent extremism, but he seems to condemn everyone that happens to have a brown skin so , yes, that is racism.


You obviously didn't see the whole Piers Morgan incident (can't call it an interview as Morgan just talks/shouts to people, giving his views). But then if you agree with Morgan you will see nothing wrong in that - as he doe not see another point of view to his own.

Calling someone ill educated is not good coming from someone who starts a sentence with the word "and, although at least you gave it a capital letter. Ask your English teacher.

I saw the complete "interview" if that's what it could be called. It was more like a naughty boy sitting on a chair being shouted at by Piers Morgan. To be honest, irrespective of your views on Tommy Robinson, there was little point in him turning up for this interview as every time he tried to answer a question he was shouted down by Morgan. If you are going to ask someone a question, you should at least have the courtesy to give them the opportunity to answer.


Total agree with Steve here.

Piers Morgan is a media bully who just shouts to try and win an argument. It makes it a pointless debate when you have that attitude. You win an argument by using others arguments against them. If you don't give them the chance to reply how can you do that?
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