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" It's Just NOT true "

Postby Brezza » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:43 pm

There have been so many comments on what a strong defence we have - but this is not true.

We conceded so many goals last year and rarely did we keep a clean sheet. Part of the problem is Morrisson. He is a good player but he lacks pace and will always 'switch off' at least once or twice in a match which often proves costly. In fairness our lack of creativity and goals often put added pressure on our defenders. Having said that conceding the amount of late goals we did is unacceptable. So - our so called strong defence is a myth. But it CAN be. If we play 442 - Manga and Bamba must be the pairing. If it is a 3 man defence it must be these 2 plus either Morrisson or Connolly. If we play a 3 it needs protection and Halford is not the answer.
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Postby dogfound » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:29 pm

true indeed........we conceded 61 but that 3 less than 3rd placed Reading.
and 19 of those came in the first 11 games under trollope.
under Warnock we conceded 1.2 points per game and if you extend that to a full 46 game season thats 56 goals conceded.which is less than play off club Fulham..and promoted through play offs Huddersfield. both conceded.
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby Brezza » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:03 pm

Good points made dogfound.
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby TopCat CCFC » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:09 pm

Need to get back to the MM way of defending ;)
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby dogfound » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:42 pm

Brezza wrote:Good points made dogfound.



thanks, but ive always been a great believer in looking at the...whole team performances..and not on not scoring enough or just conceding too many..
and just as a matter of interest ..did you know that Cardiff have both been relegated and been the club that conceded the divisions least goals in the same season..?
could only happen to us.
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby Brezza » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:13 am

A promotion success is built on foundation at the back. Warnock is old school and knows this. That's why everything he is doing at the moment smells just right. I am so looking forward with optimism this year. Moving in the right directions
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby Jules » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:22 am

dogfound wrote:
Brezza wrote:Good points made dogfound.



thanks, but ive always been a great believer in looking at the...whole team performances..and not on not scoring enough or just conceding too many..
and just as a matter of interest ..did you know that Cardiff have both been relegated and been the club that conceded the divisions least goals in the same season..?
could only happen to us.


Great stats there :thumbup: What year was the least goals and relegation?
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby Fergy1927 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:32 am

dogfound wrote:true indeed........we conceded 61 but that 3 less than 3rd placed Reading.
and 19 of those came in the first 11 games under trollope.
under Warnock we conceded 1.2 points per game and if you extend that to a full 46 game season thats 56 goals conceded.which is less than play off club Fulham..and promoted through play offs Huddersfield. both conceded.


Top research tekkers mate. It brings things into perspective.
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby OriginalGrangeEndBlue » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:40 am

Fergy1927 wrote:
dogfound wrote:true indeed........we conceded 61 but that 3 less than 3rd placed Reading.
and 19 of those came in the first 11 games under trollope.
under Warnock we conceded 1.2 points per game and if you extend that to a full 46 game season thats 56 goals conceded.which is less than play off club Fulham..and promoted through play offs Huddersfield. both conceded.


Top research tekkers mate. It brings things into perspective.


And makes a bit of a mockery of the OP.
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Re: " It's Just NOT true "

Postby WelshPatriot » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:15 am

You can concede 5 goals in a game but if you score 6 or more you've still won.
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Postby Llantwit Blue » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:27 am

Totally disagree wouldn't swap what we have defensively with any other squad in the Championship.
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Re: " It's Just NOT true "

Postby Dahboy » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:28 am

Brezza wrote:There have been so many comments on what a strong defence we have - but this is not true.

We conceded so many goals last year and rarely did we keep a clean sheet. Part of the problem is Morrisson. He is a good player but he lacks pace and will always 'switch off' at least once or twice in a match which often proves costly. In fairness our lack of creativity and goals often put added pressure on our defenders. Having said that conceding the amount of late goals we did is unacceptable. So - our so called strong defence is a myth. But it CAN be. If we play 442 - Manga and Bamba must be the pairing. If it is a 3 man defence it must be these 2 plus either Morrisson or Connolly. If we play a 3 it needs protection and Halford is not the answer.

Guess what? we didn't score enough.
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby nubbsy » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:43 am

dogfound wrote:true indeed........we conceded 61 but that 3 less than 3rd placed Reading.
and 19 of those came in the first 11 games under trollope.
under Warnock we conceded 1.2 points per game and if you extend that to a full 46 game season thats 56 goals conceded.which is less than play off club Fulham..and promoted through play offs Huddersfield. both conceded.



Excellent post mate. That's how it is looking at the bigger picture.

On a side note I thought we looked immense at villa with manga and Morrison CB and bamba playing just in FRONT.
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby dogfound » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:09 am

Jules wrote:
dogfound wrote:
Brezza wrote:Good points made dogfound.



thanks, but ive always been a great believer in looking at the...whole team performances..and not on not scoring enough or just conceding too many..
and just as a matter of interest ..did you know that Cardiff have both been relegated and been the club that conceded the divisions least goals in the same season..?
could only happen to us.


Great stats there :thumbup: What year was the least goals and relegation?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1928%E2%8 ... t_Division

while ago but still hard to believe.
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby dogfound » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:21 am

TopCat CCFC wrote:Need to get back to the MM way of defending ;)



not sure about this either..none of the 4 CHAMPIONS since we won it have conceded more..but all 4 have scored considerably more...
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Re: " It's Just NOT true "

Postby Jules » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:42 pm

Bloody hell talk about the CCFC roller coaster lol, win the cup then down following season !!
At least we didn't do a Wigan :D
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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby Gavin » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:57 pm

dogfound wrote:true indeed........we conceded 61 but that 3 less than 3rd placed Reading.
and 19 of those came in the first 11 games under trollope.
under Warnock we conceded 1.2 points per game and if you extend that to a full 46 game season thats 56 goals conceded.which is less than play off club Fulham..and promoted through play offs Huddersfield. both conceded.



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Re: It's Just NOT true

Postby dogfound » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:07 pm

Brezza wrote:A promotion success is built on foundation at the back. Warnock is old school and knows this. That's why everything he is doing at the moment smells just right. I am so looking forward with optimism this year. Moving in the right directions
- most certainly.
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N



Man City won the championship in 2001/02 conceding 52 goals...a lot for champions.
but scored 108..
now thats the sort of season id like.
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Re: " It's Just NOT true "

Postby MarshfieldIsBlue » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:37 pm

I think Warnock will cement the leaks in our defence. He's a proper manager, he won't allow the defensive to give the opponents a sniff.
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