Mon May 29, 2017 6:16 am
dogfound wrote:Jonty106 wrote:This site has been infiltrated by MOMENTUM or its supporters. They have infested Social Media and News (and now sports) Forums like a festering plague. They will insult their opponents and shout you down. They want Tory's to vote UKIP and for the UKipppers not to vote Tory. They will spread the uncosted bribes and lies of Corbyn and his puppet masters. They are anti-British and apologists for UN recognised terrorist organisations. It is shameful that this country may actually make Marxist Corbyn our Prime Minister. Rant over.
agree and cant get my head around anyone let alone this many being prepared to overlook Corbyns record on terrorism.. or in fact Diane { every defeat of the british state is a victory for all of us } Abbotts racism towards { her own people ? }
Mon May 29, 2017 7:37 am
Zabier wrote:dogfound wrote:Jonty106 wrote:This site has been infiltrated by MOMENTUM or its supporters. They have infested Social Media and News (and now sports) Forums like a festering plague. They will insult their opponents and shout you down. They want Tory's to vote UKIP and for the UKipppers not to vote Tory. They will spread the uncosted bribes and lies of Corbyn and his puppet masters. They are anti-British and apologists for UN recognised terrorist organisations. It is shameful that this country may actually make Marxist Corbyn our Prime Minister. Rant over.
agree and cant get my head around anyone let alone this many being prepared to overlook Corbyns record on terrorism.. or in fact Diane { every defeat of the british state is a victory for all of us } Abbotts racism towards { her own people ? }
Corbyn's record on terrorism? Like when he suggested talks with the IRA were the best option to achieve peace... which it turned out was true? He's never condoned acts of terrorism. He's always condemned the hurting of innocent individuals. He's simply spoken common sense but had his words manipulated by those that are afraid of him. Clearly another believer of the right wing propaganda.
How can you talk about Corbyn and the puppet masters? Like Theresa May and her puppet masters of Rupert Murdoch, Lord Rothermore, and David Barclay etc? These billionaires that live abroad, don't pay the tax they should, and are happy to see us all denied a better life so they can add even more to their wealth and power? Open your eyes mate.
Mon May 29, 2017 8:44 am
Mon May 29, 2017 10:16 am
Zabier wrote:dogfound wrote:Jonty106 wrote:This site has been infiltrated by MOMENTUM or its supporters. They have infested Social Media and News (and now sports) Forums like a festering plague. They will insult their opponents and shout you down. They want Tory's to vote UKIP and for the UKipppers not to vote Tory. They will spread the uncosted bribes and lies of Corbyn and his puppet masters. They are anti-British and apologists for UN recognised terrorist organisations. It is shameful that this country may actually make Marxist Corbyn our Prime Minister. Rant over.
agree and cant get my head around anyone let alone this many being prepared to overlook Corbyns record on terrorism.. or in fact Diane { every defeat of the british state is a victory for all of us } Abbotts racism towards { her own people ? }
Mon May 29, 2017 10:39 am
Tue May 30, 2017 3:25 pm
Tue May 30, 2017 5:48 pm
Tue May 30, 2017 6:39 pm
ffs wrote:Regarding this childcare scheme : it amazes me how we are prepared to give big corporations £70bn odd in exchange for zero hour contracts and low wages. Yet the media scoffs at spending £4bn a year providing free healthcare that will help millions across the UK. Looking at the bigger picture, these parents would then have the time to work which means more money being pumped into the economy
Tue May 30, 2017 8:16 pm
ffs wrote:Regarding this childcare scheme : it amazes me how we are prepared to give big corporations £70bn odd in exchange for zero hour contracts and low wages. Yet the media scoffs at spending £4bn a year providing free healthcare that will help millions across the UK. Looking at the bigger picture, these parents would then have the time to work which means more money being pumped into the economy
Tue May 30, 2017 9:04 pm
Wed May 31, 2017 9:20 am
Wed May 31, 2017 9:20 am
Wed May 31, 2017 9:33 am
Zabier wrote:Wez, you realise the vast majority of those comments came under previous Labour governments... the very individuals that formed that government have by and large tried to oppose Corbyn over the years. This Labour cannot even compare to the previous Labour government. I even see the odd bizarre "fact" that Labour councils are the largest users of zero hour contracts? Is that the state of the Tory defence? It's even criticising its own policies!
That's the frustrating thing about this election. Every negative thrown at Corbyn and Labour is about the past. Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA, Corbyn's comments in the 1980s about war, Labour's previous governments etc. On that basis, shall we bring Thatcher into it and mention about what she did? No. Let's focus on the here and now. Let's focus on what THIS Tory government has done for seven years, continues to do now, and plans to do after this election. Let's focus on what Labour plans to do if it is voted in. This is 2017.
Wed May 31, 2017 9:46 am
Wed May 31, 2017 10:36 am
Zabier wrote:I'm glad you have a crystal ball. I'm commenting on what the Tory government is doing and continues to do. You're commenting on what might happen in a biased worst case scenario with Labour. The Labour policies aren't very communist. I think everyone knows communism is all but extinct in this modern age. If you're against a more equal society though then just come out and say it. Say that you think the rich should continue to get richer and the rest of us should continue to feed off the scraps. I'm fortunate enough to say I'm currently doing OK for myself. Not brilliantly but earning enough and working hard enough to get by. However, I know many are not as fortunate and I might not always be this fortunate.
As I have said before, why the hatred towards a party that simply wants to make things fairer? Are you earning £80k+ a year, Wez? If not, then you're willing to put petty differences of personality ahead of genuinely fair policies? As I discussed with Steve Zodiak, I want to understand your stance. I've just mainly seen provocative comments from yourself about Corbyn so far. It's got to be deeper though. OK, hating Corbyn, that's fine. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think he's perfect. He has weaknesses for sure. However, why Tories over any other party? I'm interested to know. What will the Tories do for you that makes you want to vote for them?
Also, on a different note. We have a few migrants on here that have moved abroad to live. A fair few of you are openly backing a party that is saying "no deal" is better than a "bad deal", threatening the possibility of war with the nation you're living in, and has been at logger heads with the EU representatives over Brexit. Are you not even slightly concerned this government is going to royally f**k things up for you? I'm also interested to know if any of you voted leave the EU then why did you do that when you're living outside of Britain? Let's have some honest answers here.
Wed May 31, 2017 10:49 am
Wed May 31, 2017 10:50 am
dogfound wrote:ffs wrote:Regarding this childcare scheme : it amazes me how we are prepared to give big corporations £70bn odd in exchange for zero hour contracts and low wages. Yet the media scoffs at spending £4bn a year providing free healthcare that will help millions across the UK. Looking at the bigger picture, these parents would then have the time to work which means more money being pumped into the economy
the big picture is along with the winter fuel allowance the wealthier just dont need it.
Wed May 31, 2017 10:52 am
wez1927 wrote:You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me
Wed May 31, 2017 10:57 am
wez1927 wrote:You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me
Wed May 31, 2017 11:11 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:wez1927 wrote:You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me
And after all that would you earn more than £10ph? I would think so otherwise you won't be in business to begin with. What Labour is asking is those with the broadest shoulders to pay more as it has been those at the bottom who have paid most over the past 7 years with Tax Credit/Housing Benefit cuts plus small wage rises of 1% or nothing at all.
Stop whinging and start paying your fair share.
Wed May 31, 2017 11:52 am
wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:I'm glad you have a crystal ball. I'm commenting on what the Tory government is doing and continues to do. You're commenting on what might happen in a biased worst case scenario with Labour. The Labour policies aren't very communist. I think everyone knows communism is all but extinct in this modern age. If you're against a more equal society though then just come out and say it. Say that you think the rich should continue to get richer and the rest of us should continue to feed off the scraps. I'm fortunate enough to say I'm currently doing OK for myself. Not brilliantly but earning enough and working hard enough to get by. However, I know many are not as fortunate and I might not always be this fortunate.
As I have said before, why the hatred towards a party that simply wants to make things fairer? Are you earning £80k+ a year, Wez? If not, then you're willing to put petty differences of personality ahead of genuinely fair policies? As I discussed with Steve Zodiak, I want to understand your stance. I've just mainly seen provocative comments from yourself about Corbyn so far. It's got to be deeper though. OK, hating Corbyn, that's fine. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think he's perfect. He has weaknesses for sure. However, why Tories over any other party? I'm interested to know. What will the Tories do for you that makes you want to vote for them?
Also, on a different note. We have a few migrants on here that have moved abroad to live. A fair few of you are openly backing a party that is saying "no deal" is better than a "bad deal", threatening the possibility of war with the nation you're living in, and has been at logger heads with the EU representatives over Brexit. Are you not even slightly concerned this government is going to royally f**k things up for you? I'm also interested to know if any of you voted leave the EU then why did you do that when you're living outside of Britain? Let's have some honest answers here.
You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me
Wed May 31, 2017 12:21 pm
wez1927 wrote:Jonty106 wrote:GarethB64 wrote:I would like to be have a strong NHS to treat me me in my old age and to look after my family should the need arise.
I also like the idea of the railways being nationalised and the profits going into the state and not to the few.
My children are about to go to University so it would be quite nice for them not to start out in life with a £30,000 debt.
It would be nice if there were more police on the streets to keep us a little safer.
I would like to think as a Country we would offer care to our sick and vulnerable and a place to live.
Having a minimum wage that would allow people to support themselves and live a reasonable life and not get exploited by the few seems like a good idea to me.
Not selling arms to a Country who seems to be behind most terrorist attacks and terrorist organisations seems a sensible plan.
Wanting to broker peace through negotiation rather than retaliation would be more sensible tactic than bombing countries and making tomorrows terrorists.
Running to kiss the ring of one of the most unstable leaders of the West when he was elected didnt make me feel proud.
I dont see how the average football fan can look at the policies of the Tories and think that they are the party that best protects them or represents their ideals. Thats why I will be voting Labour.
This may be my first post but certainly not my first visit to the forum. I have been a silent observer and City fan for 20 years. Just surprised and disappointed by some of the narrow minded opinions on this post.
Nobody on here who has just joined the forum to post political bias can be considered as either genuine or even a true Bluebird. Your post stinks of MOMENTUM who offer nothing other than hard left delusional BS. MOMENTUM have infested Social Media and News Forum sites like a festering plague. They will spew rhetoric, anti tory bile, lies , exaggerations and insults and will try to shout down any opposition. Corbyn and his cronies are dinosaur Marxists and terrorist sympathisers and apologists. I would recommend the Morning Star or maybe the Guardian is more appropriate for you and "YOUR NARROW MINDED OPINIONS"
Wed May 31, 2017 12:23 pm
Zabier wrote:wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:I'm glad you have a crystal ball. I'm commenting on what the Tory government is doing and continues to do. You're commenting on what might happen in a biased worst case scenario with Labour. The Labour policies aren't very communist. I think everyone knows communism is all but extinct in this modern age. If you're against a more equal society though then just come out and say it. Say that you think the rich should continue to get richer and the rest of us should continue to feed off the scraps. I'm fortunate enough to say I'm currently doing OK for myself. Not brilliantly but earning enough and working hard enough to get by. However, I know many are not as fortunate and I might not always be this fortunate.
As I have said before, why the hatred towards a party that simply wants to make things fairer? Are you earning £80k+ a year, Wez? If not, then you're willing to put petty differences of personality ahead of genuinely fair policies? As I discussed with Steve Zodiak, I want to understand your stance. I've just mainly seen provocative comments from yourself about Corbyn so far. It's got to be deeper though. OK, hating Corbyn, that's fine. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think he's perfect. He has weaknesses for sure. However, why Tories over any other party? I'm interested to know. What will the Tories do for you that makes you want to vote for them?
Also, on a different note. We have a few migrants on here that have moved abroad to live. A fair few of you are openly backing a party that is saying "no deal" is better than a "bad deal", threatening the possibility of war with the nation you're living in, and has been at logger heads with the EU representatives over Brexit. Are you not even slightly concerned this government is going to royally f**k things up for you? I'm also interested to know if any of you voted leave the EU then why did you do that when you're living outside of Britain? Let's have some honest answers here.
You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me
Thanks for explaining your personal circumstances, Wez. I can understand your view more now. How come you've resorted to repeatedly focusing on slating Corbyn et al? I know I'd have listened to your view more if you were this brutally honest from the start. Obviously, you're not under any obligation to explain anything to anyone but I think what you say here strikes much more of a personal chord. I think you'd get more understanding and empathy with your views if you explain it in this way more.
Granted, your views still don't change my opinion that the Tories are bad for the majority but at least you've added some depth to your argument. I respect that.
Wed May 31, 2017 1:04 pm
wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:Wez, you realise the vast majority of those comments came under previous Labour governments... the very individuals that formed that government have by and large tried to oppose Corbyn over the years. This Labour cannot even compare to the previous Labour government. I even see the odd bizarre "fact" that Labour councils are the largest users of zero hour contracts? Is that the state of the Tory defence? It's even criticising its own policies!
That's the frustrating thing about this election. Every negative thrown at Corbyn and Labour is about the past. Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA, Corbyn's comments in the 1980s about war, Labour's previous governments etc. On that basis, shall we bring Thatcher into it and mention about what she did? No. Let's focus on the here and now. Let's focus on what THIS Tory government has done for seven years, continues to do now, and plans to do after this election. Let's focus on what Labour plans to do if it is voted in. This is 2017.
History teaches us that labour will say something and do another sorry but they cant be trusted ,corbyn will take the country to a communist hell hole
Wed May 31, 2017 2:17 pm
CF14-SE14 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:Wez, you realise the vast majority of those comments came under previous Labour governments... the very individuals that formed that government have by and large tried to oppose Corbyn over the years. This Labour cannot even compare to the previous Labour government. I even see the odd bizarre "fact" that Labour councils are the largest users of zero hour contracts? Is that the state of the Tory defence? It's even criticising its own policies!
That's the frustrating thing about this election. Every negative thrown at Corbyn and Labour is about the past. Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA, Corbyn's comments in the 1980s about war, Labour's previous governments etc. On that basis, shall we bring Thatcher into it and mention about what she did? No. Let's focus on the here and now. Let's focus on what THIS Tory government has done for seven years, continues to do now, and plans to do after this election. Let's focus on what Labour plans to do if it is voted in. This is 2017.
History teaches us that labour will say something and do another sorry but they cant be trusted ,corbyn will take the country to a communist hell hole
And the Tories are amazing at carrying out promises
They've promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands 3 times and it's gone up not down
Let's face it none of them have a scoobie, but personally I'd rather a Labour government with it's heart in the right place, even if some of their heads are not (Abbott), than a snide and dangerous Tory government who will sell anything the country owns of value to a mixture of their friends and foreign governments and who's health minister (Hunt) has written and spoken about how he wants to privatise the NHS.
Wed May 31, 2017 3:33 pm
Wed May 31, 2017 4:10 pm
castleblue wrote:Well JC must be doing something right as the latest YouGov poll has the tory lead down to just 3%. The sample size was over 53,000.
Squeaky bum time at Conservative Head Office after reading that I bet.
Wed May 31, 2017 4:43 pm
Wed May 31, 2017 5:05 pm
Jonty106 wrote:This is my last post on the subject. I have given up being diplomatic and reasoned. So lets go as low as all the left wingers of Labour on here (and those pretending to be Bluebirds) and the rest of social media. If you vote for Corbyn then you are a terrorist apologist at best who has anti British values and all that those values stand for including our Armed Forces, NATO, the Commonwealth, centrist and fair politics that inspire growth and a strong economy. You are anti Israel (and might be anti Semitic) and pro Hamas and Hezbollah. You support the Bullets and Ballots campaign of the IRA and Sinn Fein. You are party to the car crash economics of Marx and are complicit to the lies and spins of Momentum and the Nationalists. Your politics are a anathema to me and I can no longer listen to or read your crap. Centrists, Unionists, Royalists and Patriots must fight back in anyway we can. We must not let Corbyn defeat us. NO REPLIES WILL BE READ. Goodbye.
Wed May 31, 2017 5:36 pm
wez1927 wrote:You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me