Jock wrote:Blue_Barber wrote:Jock wrote:Blue_Barber wrote:Some of the posts on this are lunacy -
1- deporting the muslims making it harder for muslims to migrate here?! Wtf is that other than race hate, the UK isn't solely a one faith country, that's exactly what extremism is, they want an x nation of x faith by holding such an an opinion aren't you as much an extremist as someone of a for example Muslim extremist, has it not occurred to you that extremism comes in all sorts of shapes forms and colours as suppose to religion?
NDL - extremism that want a solely white nation irrelevant to your faith.
IRA - extremism that's holds a sect of Christian faith and government rule
ISIS - extremism that's wanting a solely archaic view of Islamic faith to be apart of the lands they consider there own, while killing the true believers and trying to scare western and modern day communities in avoiding there people
Nazis - looking for a total world dominant super Christian religion
Crusades - looking to by force spread the word and force the religion of Christianity on a community
The narrow mindedness of people is what gets me, these people don't do it in the name of faith they are truly messed up individuals who can't be educated how do you beat that?!
The IRA may have taken support from the Catholic population but it was never truly a religious war. ISIS are very different their who ethos is based on Koranic teaching, they have more n common with the Nazi super race mentality than the Provos.
That's just not true, there is nothing in Koran that tells a Muslim to go an kill anyone who doesn't believe in their faith, that's the narrow mindedness in a nutshell.
Koran 8:12 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, therefore strike off their heads
9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them
9:73 Prophet make war on the unbelievers
5:51 take neither Jews of Christians as friends.
I could go on talking about Jizya etc but what's the point.
Same thing whenever there is an outrage committed by a so-called Muslim we get the usual LIES and quotes out of context. Jock appears to be EDL/NF influenced and he uses their posts - they always repeat the same few lies and even then they don't quote the FULL verse just the bit they can use to spread their hate.... in the age of Trump and "alternative" facts ande in the age where any half wit can write what they want I guess we have to live with it, but for the fair minded, decent ones amongst you the above is all BULLSHIT.
He could have quoted absolutely anything and said its the Quran and he knows full well that on a football blog/website no one will care or know any better........might as well start talking about brain surgery.
"9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them" - the full explanation is here,
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/03/ ... ord-verse/ NB the link above includes quotes by TWO AMERICAN NON_MUSLIM PROFESSORS who have STUDIED Islam, i.e. they have knowledge of Islam read what they say - look at the difference between what people of knowledge (non-Muslim Americans) say compared to the ignorant, hate filled riff raff of the EDL/BF/NF.
"Koran 8:12 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, therefore strike off their heads" - the full explanation is here
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/09/ ... eir-heads/ I don't have time to do all the verses but if you really want to know then go to Muslims (OF KNOWLEDGE) or go to Muslim websites .... do NOT learn about Islam from footie websites or from EDL/NF websites as they are extremely biased and hate filled and will not give you the full story or quote. There thousands of verses in the Quran which are about charity, kindness, helping neighbours and others but of course these are not viewed. There are verses of war but these have to be seen in context and the full verses need to be seen (not a part of it) and in what context they were revealed. The Quran was revealed over 23 years and is very long, it's not a short pamphlet.
Read the Holy Quarn YOURSELVES, all of it and find out why so many people are converting to this magnificent religion of Islam. What are you afraid of?
Finally I just want to add that ALL the Muslims I know and speak to are just as furious and angry about this cowardly attack as the rest of the wider UK population, it's designed to spread communal hatred, Daesh are NOT Islam, 99% of daesh's worldwide victims are MUSLIMS. If you actually read the majority of these attacks are perpetrated by "muslims" who are druggies, drunkards, womanisers, criminals and thugs who's lifestyle is far, far removed from that of a "good" Muslim, they're obviously being easily manipulated because of their ignorance (and stupidity?). Anyway I view this blog to catch up on the city and not to take part in one-sided debates with the same tired arguments so I thought I'd quickly give a Muslim perspective as it's constantly been on the news for the last 48 hours.