troobloo3339 wrote:All this debatìng and demanding tan backs warnock , but none of us have any idea about how much our total playing budget is .
its no good those saying warnock only wañts £6 million , he may say thats what he thinks he will need to spend on transfer fees , but then there are wages for those players , agent fees etc , the budget is not just about transfer fees , its an amoùnt determined by our income and staying within ffp .even if tan wanted to he can not just give us millions . And yes I know there could be ways around it via sponsorship but the authorities are not stupid .
our budget for this season is millions , so next seasons will also be millions , so lets just wait and see how warnock uses it
look 2 players earning a lot of money allegedly manga = 1.25 million a year and whitts = 1 million a year , saving thier wages would mean 2.25 million towards transfer fees , are we missing these 2 players who are not looking likely starters
huws o keefe adeymi ajayi (and at long last le fondre this summer ) would surely bring in 1 million between them and at least 3 million off the wage bill , thats another 4 million towards transfer fees .
im sure warnock will be able to work within the clubs budget next season , but surely we dont want our budget to be open to all and sundry allowing them to maybe hold us to ransome .
im sure vincent tan is not stupid , hes a shrewd business man , learning the hard way that football is not like any other business ,
he must see that the best chance of getting our club self sustainable, is by letting warnock use the budget however he sees fit .
im optimistic tan will want warnock to stay , therefore he will give warnock the maximum budget ffp rules will allow .
so lets all just enjoy the rest of this rather enjoyable(now we are safe) season , becouse lets be fair its improved so much lately , its not long ago people were saying we dont have a goal scoring threat , and now we have scored 11 goals in 3 games , in warnock we trust , and lets not forget tan employed him
smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
troobloo3339 wrote:All this debatìng and demanding tan backs warnock , but none of us have any idea about how much our total playing budget is .
its no good those saying warnock only wañts £6 million , he may say thats what he thinks he will need to spend on transfer fees , but then there are wages for those players , agent fees etc , the budget is not just about transfer fees , its an amoùnt determined by our income and staying within ffp .even if tan wanted to he can not just give us millions . And yes I know there could be ways around it via sponsorship but the authorities are not stupid .
our budget for this season is millions , so next seasons will also be millions , so lets just wait and see how warnock uses it
look 2 players earning a lot of money allegedly manga = 1.25 million a year and whitts = 1 million a year , saving thier wages would mean 2.25 million towards transfer fees , are we missing these 2 players who are not looking likely starters
huws o keefe adeymi ajayi (and at long last le fondre this summer ) would surely bring in 1 million between them and at least 3 million off the wage bill , thats another 4 million towards transfer fees .
im sure warnock will be able to work within the clubs budget next season , but surely we dont want our budget to be open to all and sundry allowing them to maybe hold us to ransome .
im sure vincent tan is not stupid , hes a shrewd business man , learning the hard way that football is not like any other business ,
he must see that the best chance of getting our club self sustainable, is by letting warnock use the budget however he sees fit .
im optimistic tan will want warnock to stay , therefore he will give warnock the maximum budget ffp rules will allow .
so lets all just enjoy the rest of this rather enjoyable(now we are safe) season , becouse lets be fair its improved so much lately , its not long ago people were saying we dont have a goal scoring threat , and now we have scored 11 goals in 3 games , in warnock we trust , and lets not forget tan employed him
brewer918 wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:All this debatìng and demanding tan backs warnock , but none of us have any idea about how much our total playing budget is .
its no good those saying warnock only wañts £6 million , he may say thats what he thinks he will need to spend on transfer fees , but then there are wages for those players , agent fees etc , the budget is not just about transfer fees , its an amoùnt determined by our income and staying within ffp .even if tan wanted to he can not just give us millions . And yes I know there could be ways around it via sponsorship but the authorities are not stupid .
our budget for this season is millions , so next seasons will also be millions , so lets just wait and see how warnock uses it
look 2 players earning a lot of money allegedly manga = 1.25 million a year and whitts = 1 million a year , saving thier wages would mean 2.25 million towards transfer fees , are we missing these 2 players who are not looking likely starters
huws o keefe adeymi ajayi (and at long last le fondre this summer ) would surely bring in 1 million between them and at least 3 million off the wage bill , thats another 4 million towards transfer fees .
im sure warnock will be able to work within the clubs budget next season , but surely we dont want our budget to be open to all and sundry allowing them to maybe hold us to ransome .
im sure vincent tan is not stupid , hes a shrewd business man , learning the hard way that football is not like any other business ,
he must see that the best chance of getting our club self sustainable, is by letting warnock use the budget however he sees fit .
im optimistic tan will want warnock to stay , therefore he will give warnock the maximum budget ffp rules will allow .
so lets all just enjoy the rest of this rather enjoyable(now we are safe) season , becouse lets be fair its improved so much lately , its not long ago people were saying we dont have a goal scoring threat , and now we have scored 11 goals in 3 games , in warnock we trust , and lets not forget tan employed him
Superb post!
People keeping saying that Mehmet dalman is using FFP as an excuse not to spend money but we all know as a club we are are having to cut our clothe and reduce our wage bill / costs, due to the money we've spent over the years leading up the premiership and after the relegation. So for me we have to be sensible when it comes to spending money on signings in the the summer.
Why would Mehmet Dalman openly confirm how much they are going to give Warnock to spend in the summer.... it would certainly allow other clubs to hold us to ransom and then overspend.
I really hope Tan backs Warnock for next season. But quite a few posters seem to use any news about the club to turn it in to a negative spin towards Tan.
smakerzthebluebird wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
Pretty sure they are done now but you could be correct
smakerzthebluebird wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
Pretty sure they are done now but you could be correct
troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
troobloo3339 wrote:All this debatìng and demanding tan backs warnock , but none of us have any idea about how much our total playing budget is .
its no good those saying warnock only wañts £6 million , he may say thats what he thinks he will need to spend on transfer fees , but then there are wages for those players , agent fees etc , the budget is not just about transfer fees , its an amoùnt determined by our income and staying within ffp .even if tan wanted to he can not just give us millions . And yes I know there could be ways around it via sponsorship but the authorities are not stupid .
our budget for this season is millions , so next seasons will also be millions , so lets just wait and see how warnock uses it
look 2 players earning a lot of money allegedly manga = 1.25 million a year and whitts = 1 million a year , saving thier wages would mean 2.25 million towards transfer fees , are we missing these 2 players who are not looking likely starters
huws o keefe adeymi ajayi (and at long last le fondre this summer ) would surely bring in 1 million between them and at least 3 million off the wage bill , thats another 4 million towards transfer fees .
im sure warnock will be able to work within the clubs budget next season , but surely we dont want our budget to be open to all and sundry allowing them to maybe hold us to ransome .
im sure vincent tan is not stupid , hes a shrewd business man , learning the hard way that football is not like any other business ,
he must see that the best chance of getting our club self sustainable, is by letting warnock use the budget however he sees fit .
im optimistic tan will want warnock to stay , therefore he will give warnock the maximum budget ffp rules will allow .
so lets all just enjoy the rest of this rather enjoyable(now we are safe) season , becouse lets be fair its improved so much lately , its not long ago people were saying we dont have a goal scoring threat , and now we have scored 11 goals in 3 games , in warnock we trust , and lets not forget tan employed him
Forever Blue wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
YES we have one more season of parachute payments and you can't expect Warnock to continue this amazing success with no support from our club.
Bluebina wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:All this debatìng and demanding tan backs warnock , but none of us have any idea about how much our total playing budget is .
its no good those saying warnock only wañts £6 million , he may say thats what he thinks he will need to spend on transfer fees , but then there are wages for those players , agent fees etc , the budget is not just about transfer fees , its an amoùnt determined by our income and staying within ffp .even if tan wanted to he can not just give us millions . And yes I know there could be ways around it via sponsorship but the authorities are not stupid .
our budget for this season is millions , so next seasons will also be millions , so lets just wait and see how warnock uses it
look 2 players earning a lot of money allegedly manga = 1.25 million a year and whitts = 1 million a year , saving thier wages would mean 2.25 million towards transfer fees , are we missing these 2 players who are not looking likely starters
huws o keefe adeymi ajayi (and at long last le fondre this summer ) would surely bring in 1 million between them and at least 3 million off the wage bill , thats another 4 million towards transfer fees .
im sure warnock will be able to work within the clubs budget next season , but surely we dont want our budget to be open to all and sundry allowing them to maybe hold us to ransome .
im sure vincent tan is not stupid , hes a shrewd business man , learning the hard way that football is not like any other business ,
he must see that the best chance of getting our club self sustainable, is by letting warnock use the budget however he sees fit .
im optimistic tan will want warnock to stay , therefore he will give warnock the maximum budget ffp rules will allow .
so lets all just enjoy the rest of this rather enjoyable(now we are safe) season , becouse lets be fair its improved so much lately , its not long ago people were saying we dont have a goal scoring threat , and now we have scored 11 goals in 3 games , in warnock we trust , and lets not forget tan employed him
He will stay, Tan would never let him go, loads have clubs have best FFP one way or another....
He will stay 99.99999% sure of it !!!
troobloo3339 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
YES we have one more season of parachute payments and you can't expect Warnock to continue this amazing success with no support from our club.
annis what makes you believe warnock is getting NO support from the club
Blue_Barber wrote:So within FFP you are told to live within your means - that basically means living off your player sales values, commercial investments and ticket sales. Which basically makes ownership money null and void. Does make you think how the top teams manage to get away with it (coughs) "Pogba" United debt €200m
pembroke allan wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
YES we have one more season of parachute payments and you can't expect Warnock to continue this amazing success with no support from our club.
annis what makes you believe warnock is getting NO support from the club
he's saying NW cannot continue having success if club doesn't support him next season?
Think there's enough evidence from NW to suggest he will be supported next season how much probably depends on who goes end season!
Cymru Am Byth wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve fair points but you like many forget there is no £8m parachute payments next season so any wage savings will only be put towards running within budget no room for spending?
It's got to be player sales and who is worth money that NW doesn't want to keep right now?
The answer to that is not many so for me unless the club decides to fall foul of FFP rules the season after NW retires then I don't see a big transfer kitty at all
I'd love the club to have the money NW wants but realistically it's not there
think we got one more season of parachute payments so this might be our best chance of having a good go
99% sure because we finished bottom we only get 3 years of parachute payments - so 2016/17 is our last year. nothing next season.
Norwich and Fulham will get another year because they finished 18th and 19th
Bushy Eyebrows wrote:I have not researched that finishing bottom (in the Prem) ends our parachute payments tbh. But as we saw with Zohore`s arrival players signed to KV Kortrijk or FK Sarajevo could be loaned back and forth as Watford previously successfully did. OGS messed us up but I`m sure Warnock is astute enough to be privy to these things too. Also as said above revealing our Summers War Chest amount only puts us on the back foot in negotiations for new signings. VT must listen NW to work out a promotion push next season,make hay when the sun shines is a cliche that comes to mind.
troobloo3339 wrote:Bushy Eyebrows wrote:I have not researched that finishing bottom (in the Prem) ends our parachute payments tbh. But as we saw with Zohore`s arrival players signed to KV Kortrijk or FK Sarajevo could be loaned back and forth as Watford previously successfully did. OGS messed us up but I`m sure Warnock is astute enough to be privy to these things too. Also as said above revealing our Summers War Chest amount only puts us on the back foot in negotiations for new signings. VT must listen NW to work out a promotion push next season,make hay when the sun shines is a cliche that comes to mind.
Think we have established that we have one more season of parachute payments
think most on here believe warnock should be allowed to use the budget how ever he sees fit
the budget should be bigger than this seasons due to us reducing our debt and losses
plus if needed as stated above we can use tans other clubs to bring in loans
finally there is more reason to be optimistic than negative
ffs enjoy the ride we are now safe and playing much better football and remember warnocks done this with no backing from the club if you listen to some , and with a squad thats too small, and a team that has no goals in it , hmmmm
castleblue wrote:There are a lot of things going to happen over the next couple of weeks, the biggest being the club are due to submit last seasons accounts by 28th February to Companies House. It will be interesting to see how the club performed in financial terms last season, we already know we were within FFP because there was no embargo in January from the EFL, but did we lose money last season ? If we did then that will impact on the clubs ability to spend going forward.
I have absolutely no doubt that the club want NW to stay and, I have absolutely no doubt the club will do everything it can to support NW in whatever way it can. The most interesting thing MD said to the BBC yesterday was that the club were looking "To Change The Cost Base" of the club, in other words the club finances are getting root and branch surgery to release as much money as possible to spend on the first team. NW has already been part of this with the dismantling of the Development Squad and appointing Craig Bellamy to his new Player Development Role.
Results since NW arrived have improved beyond any level even he probably thought were possible and in the process "Fringe" players under Slade & Trollope, Gunnarsonn and Harris the best examples, are now first choice. Zohore has improved out of ALL recognition and this week Noone has shown he is back to his best.
We have had years of cost cutting at the club but NW is showing that we still have a squad capable of finishing in the top half of the Championship, even maybe the top 10. I don't think we will need to spend £m's to see us pushing the top 6 again.
Sit back and enjoy the ride for the rest of this season and watch NW weave his magic during the summer to get us placed to have a real go next season.
castleblue wrote:There are a lot of things going to happen over the next couple of weeks, the biggest being the club are due to submit last seasons accounts by 28th February to Companies House. It will be interesting to see how the club performed in financial terms last season, we already know we were within FFP because there was no embargo in January from the EFL, but did we lose money last season ? If we did then that will impact on the clubs ability to spend going forward.
I have absolutely no doubt that the club want NW to stay and, I have absolutely no doubt the club will do everything it can to support NW in whatever way it can. The most interesting thing MD said to the BBC yesterday was that the club were looking "To Change The Cost Base" of the club, in other words the club finances are getting root and branch surgery to release as much money as possible to spend on the first team. NW has already been part of this with the dismantling of the Development Squad and appointing Craig Bellamy to his new Player Development Role.
Results since NW arrived have improved beyond any level even he probably thought were possible and in the process "Fringe" players under Slade & Trollope, Gunnarsonn and Harris the best examples, are now first choice. Zohore has improved out of ALL recognition and this week Noone has shown he is back to his best.
We have had years of cost cutting at the club but NW is showing that we still have a squad capable of finishing in the top half of the Championship, even maybe the top 10. I don't think we will need to spend £m's to see us pushing the top 6 again.
Sit back and enjoy the ride for the rest of this season and watch NW weave his magic during the summer to get us placed to have a real go next season.
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