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Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:07 pm
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Tuesday 27th September, 7.25pm - SAM ALLARDYCE HAS BEEN SACKED AS ENGLAND MANAGER
GARETH SOUTHGATE APPOINTED FOR NEXT FEW ENGLAND MATCHES.
Exclusive investigation: England manager Sam Allardyce for sale
Sam Allardyce caught on camera advising how to get around FA rules
26 SEPTEMBER 2016
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Sam Allardyce used his position as England manager to negotiate a £400,000 deal and offered advice to businessmen on how to “get around” FA rules on player transfers, The Telegraph can disclose.
Before he had even held his first training session as England’s new head coach, Allardyce negotiated a deal with men purporting to represent a Far East firm that was hoping to profit from the Premier League’s billion-pound transfer market.
He agreed to travel to Singapore and Hong Kong as an ambassador and explained to the “businessmen” how they could circumvent Football Association rules which prohibit third parties “owning” players.
Unbeknown to Allardyce, the businessmen were undercover reporters and he was being filmed as part of a 10-month Telegraph investigation that separately unearthed widespread evidence of bribery and corruption in British football.
Sam Allardyce explained to the businessmen how they could circumvent FA rules which prohibit third parties ‘owning’ players CRE
Over the course of two meetings, lasting four hours in total, Allardyce told the fictitious businessmen that it was “not a problem” to bypass the rules introduced by his employers in 2008.
He said he knew of certain agents who were “doing it all the time” and added: “You can still get around it. I mean obviously the big money’s here.”
During Allardyce’s meetings with the reporters he also:
Criticised his predecessor Roy Hodgson, dubbing him “Woy” and saying that he “hasn’t got the personality” for public speaking;
Said England’s players were underperforming because they had a “psychological barrier” and “can’t cope”;
Suggested that players who were not being played for their club should not be picked for England;
Described the FA decision to redevelop Wembley as “stupid”.
The issue of “third party ownership” in football has been described as “slavery”. It effectively allows companies to own a stake in a footballer. The FA led the way by banning the practice in 2008 and football’s world governing body, Fifa, followed in 2015.
Allardyce, 61, told his prospective employers it was “not a problem” to dodge the “ridiculous” rules.
Watch Allardyce mock Hodgson's voice and criticise NevillePlay! 01:21
Last week the England manager followed up his initial meeting by having dinner with representatives of the fictitious firm in a Manchester restaurant, where he discussed dates when he could fly to Singapore.
Allardyce, who is paid £3 million a year plus bonuses by the FA, now faces questions about his judgment just weeks after his first and so far only match in charge of the national side. During the meetings he also made a series of remarks about the previous performances of the England team.
He said that Roy Hodgson was “too indecisive” during England’s crucial European Championship defeat to Iceland. He also said that Gary Neville – Hodgson’s assistant – was “the wrong influence” and should have been told to “sit down and shut up”.
The Telegraph began investigating corruption in English football last year after receiving information that specific managers, officials and agents were giving or receiving cash payments to secure player transfers.
Over the coming days, the Telegraph will detail a series of allegations of financial impropriety in British football which raise serious questions about the governance and influence of money within the game.
During this summer’s transfer window, Premier League clubs spent a record £1.17 billion on player transfers, with Championship clubs adding another £214 million.
The disclosures are likely to raise concerns at the FA about corruption in English football and whether the industry is adequately regulated. Allardyce’s comments are likely to lead to questions from his employers at the FA, who expect the England manager effectively to act as an ambassador.
A £400,000 agreement with a football agency firm is a potential conflict of interest for an international football manager as it raises the possibility that he is “employed” by a company whose footballer clients could benefit from preferential treatment.
Allardyce told undercover reporters that the banned practice was still possible in “all of South America, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, all of Africa” and that the Ecuadorean player Enner Valencia had been under a third party ownership agreement when he signed him for £12 million for West Ham from a Mexican club in 2014.
The third party ownership arrangement ended on the transfer and West Ham acquired the player “whole”. Asked if it would be a problem to get involved in third party ownership. Allardyce said: “It’s not a problem.”
Third party ownership involves an agent or an investor owning part of the financial rights to a player, meaning transfer fees are partly paid to them when a player moves clubs, rather than the buying club paying all the money to the selling club.
During a meeting at a London hotel in August, Allardyce, who was appointed by the FA on July 22, was happy to discuss third party ownership of players with two undercover reporters posing as representatives of a Far East-based company looking to get a foothold in the lucrative world of English football.
He attended the meeting with his agent, Mark Curtis, and his financial adviser, Shane Moloney, after being approached via the football agent Scott McGarvey, a long-time friend of Allardyce who was unaware of the undercover reporters’ involvement.
Mr Moloney asked Allardyce: “What do you think they’re doing on the football transfers financing?… the thing they’re talking about is funding football transfers.”
Mr Curtis interjected: “Is that third party ownership a problem though?”
Sam Allardyce, centre, with his financial advisor Shane Moloney, left, his agent Mark Curtis, second left, and football agent and former player Scott McGarvey at a meeting in London
Sam Allardyce, centre, with his financial advisor Shane Moloney, left, his agent Mark Curtis, second left, and football agent and former player Scott McGarvey at a meeting in London CREDIT: TELEGRAPH
Allardyce replied: “It’s not a problem… we got Valencia in. He was third party owned when we bought him from Mexico.” Mr Moloney made it clear that the ownership arrangement ended with the transfer.
Allardyce also gave advice on where third party ownership was still possible, despite the worldwide Fifa ban.
Allardyce has not been immune to controversy during his career managing clubs including West Ham United, Sunderland and Bolton Wanderers. In 2006 he was implicated in a BBC Panorama programme which alleged that he had taken “bungs” – a claim he denied. An independent investigation by the former Metropolitan Police commissioner Lord Stevens found no evidence of irregular payments.
How does third party ownership of footballers work?
The Telegraph detailed its findings in an email to the FA yesterday morning which set out 18 questions about its findings, including Allardyce’s comments in the two meetings. However, the FA declined to answer any of the questions without receiving full transcripts of the conversations.
A spokesman replied nine hours later saying: “We have asked The Daily Telegraph to provide us with the full facts in relation to this matter.”
The Telegraph put questions to Mr Allardyce, Mr Curtis and Mr Moloney 12 hours before going to press. All failed to respond.
Tuesday 27th September, 7.25pm - SAM ALLARDYCE HAS BEEN SACKED AS ENGLAND MANAGER
GARETH SOUTHGATE APPOINTED FOR NEXT FEW ENGLAND MATCHES.
Exclusive investigation: England manager Sam Allardyce for sale
Sam Allardyce caught on camera advising how to get around FA rules
26 SEPTEMBER 2016
TELEGRAPH
Video http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... -for-sale/
Sam Allardyce used his position as England manager to negotiate a £400,000 deal and offered advice to businessmen on how to “get around” FA rules on player transfers, The Telegraph can disclose.
Before he had even held his first training session as England’s new head coach, Allardyce negotiated a deal with men purporting to represent a Far East firm that was hoping to profit from the Premier League’s billion-pound transfer market.
He agreed to travel to Singapore and Hong Kong as an ambassador and explained to the “businessmen” how they could circumvent Football Association rules which prohibit third parties “owning” players.
Unbeknown to Allardyce, the businessmen were undercover reporters and he was being filmed as part of a 10-month Telegraph investigation that separately unearthed widespread evidence of bribery and corruption in British football.
Sam Allardyce explained to the businessmen how they could circumvent FA rules which prohibit third parties ‘owning’ players CRE
Over the course of two meetings, lasting four hours in total, Allardyce told the fictitious businessmen that it was “not a problem” to bypass the rules introduced by his employers in 2008.
He said he knew of certain agents who were “doing it all the time” and added: “You can still get around it. I mean obviously the big money’s here.”
During Allardyce’s meetings with the reporters he also:
Criticised his predecessor Roy Hodgson, dubbing him “Woy” and saying that he “hasn’t got the personality” for public speaking;
Said England’s players were underperforming because they had a “psychological barrier” and “can’t cope”;
Suggested that players who were not being played for their club should not be picked for England;
Described the FA decision to redevelop Wembley as “stupid”.
The issue of “third party ownership” in football has been described as “slavery”. It effectively allows companies to own a stake in a footballer. The FA led the way by banning the practice in 2008 and football’s world governing body, Fifa, followed in 2015.
Allardyce, 61, told his prospective employers it was “not a problem” to dodge the “ridiculous” rules.
Watch Allardyce mock Hodgson's voice and criticise NevillePlay! 01:21
Last week the England manager followed up his initial meeting by having dinner with representatives of the fictitious firm in a Manchester restaurant, where he discussed dates when he could fly to Singapore.
Allardyce, who is paid £3 million a year plus bonuses by the FA, now faces questions about his judgment just weeks after his first and so far only match in charge of the national side. During the meetings he also made a series of remarks about the previous performances of the England team.
He said that Roy Hodgson was “too indecisive” during England’s crucial European Championship defeat to Iceland. He also said that Gary Neville – Hodgson’s assistant – was “the wrong influence” and should have been told to “sit down and shut up”.
The Telegraph began investigating corruption in English football last year after receiving information that specific managers, officials and agents were giving or receiving cash payments to secure player transfers.
Over the coming days, the Telegraph will detail a series of allegations of financial impropriety in British football which raise serious questions about the governance and influence of money within the game.
During this summer’s transfer window, Premier League clubs spent a record £1.17 billion on player transfers, with Championship clubs adding another £214 million.
The disclosures are likely to raise concerns at the FA about corruption in English football and whether the industry is adequately regulated. Allardyce’s comments are likely to lead to questions from his employers at the FA, who expect the England manager effectively to act as an ambassador.
A £400,000 agreement with a football agency firm is a potential conflict of interest for an international football manager as it raises the possibility that he is “employed” by a company whose footballer clients could benefit from preferential treatment.
Allardyce told undercover reporters that the banned practice was still possible in “all of South America, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, all of Africa” and that the Ecuadorean player Enner Valencia had been under a third party ownership agreement when he signed him for £12 million for West Ham from a Mexican club in 2014.
The third party ownership arrangement ended on the transfer and West Ham acquired the player “whole”. Asked if it would be a problem to get involved in third party ownership. Allardyce said: “It’s not a problem.”
Third party ownership involves an agent or an investor owning part of the financial rights to a player, meaning transfer fees are partly paid to them when a player moves clubs, rather than the buying club paying all the money to the selling club.
During a meeting at a London hotel in August, Allardyce, who was appointed by the FA on July 22, was happy to discuss third party ownership of players with two undercover reporters posing as representatives of a Far East-based company looking to get a foothold in the lucrative world of English football.
He attended the meeting with his agent, Mark Curtis, and his financial adviser, Shane Moloney, after being approached via the football agent Scott McGarvey, a long-time friend of Allardyce who was unaware of the undercover reporters’ involvement.
Mr Moloney asked Allardyce: “What do you think they’re doing on the football transfers financing?… the thing they’re talking about is funding football transfers.”
Mr Curtis interjected: “Is that third party ownership a problem though?”
Sam Allardyce, centre, with his financial advisor Shane Moloney, left, his agent Mark Curtis, second left, and football agent and former player Scott McGarvey at a meeting in London
Sam Allardyce, centre, with his financial advisor Shane Moloney, left, his agent Mark Curtis, second left, and football agent and former player Scott McGarvey at a meeting in London CREDIT: TELEGRAPH
Allardyce replied: “It’s not a problem… we got Valencia in. He was third party owned when we bought him from Mexico.” Mr Moloney made it clear that the ownership arrangement ended with the transfer.
Allardyce also gave advice on where third party ownership was still possible, despite the worldwide Fifa ban.
Allardyce has not been immune to controversy during his career managing clubs including West Ham United, Sunderland and Bolton Wanderers. In 2006 he was implicated in a BBC Panorama programme which alleged that he had taken “bungs” – a claim he denied. An independent investigation by the former Metropolitan Police commissioner Lord Stevens found no evidence of irregular payments.
How does third party ownership of footballers work?
The Telegraph detailed its findings in an email to the FA yesterday morning which set out 18 questions about its findings, including Allardyce’s comments in the two meetings. However, the FA declined to answer any of the questions without receiving full transcripts of the conversations.
A spokesman replied nine hours later saying: “We have asked The Daily Telegraph to provide us with the full facts in relation to this matter.”
The Telegraph put questions to Mr Allardyce, Mr Curtis and Mr Moloney 12 hours before going to press. All failed to respond.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:13 pm
Very interesting if true, although not really surprising from him.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:14 pm
Hahahhaha great stuff! Just what England need after a diabolical euros and world cup qualifiers to focus on! Hope Alladice and his judas goalkeeper coach fall flat.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:33 pm
Oh Dear 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:00 pm
that's him gone then
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:20 pm
wez1927 wrote:that's him gone then
Would assume so, Wez
Just wonder if he'll fall on his own sword rather than put the usually 'too inept to act' FA through the mill
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:39 pm
Harry Redknapps name will no doubt be brought up, Wonder if we here anything with Malky and the Cornelius deal now
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:49 am
Big Sam could have a brilliant England CV. 100% win record .
No other England manager in history can better that .
No other England manager in history can better that .
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:19 pm
I love it, LOVE IT - what is about England and football and the sheer delight they all take in making themselves look utter muppets 
This could be even better than Iceland...or Norway...or USA...or San Marino.
This could be even better than Iceland...or Norway...or USA...or San Marino.
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:13 pm
Sam Allardyce: the living embodiment of The Greed Is Good League
By Brian Glanville
Tuesday September 27, 2016
Sam Allardyce is a voracious lout who has to go, argues Brian Glanville, even though there is no obvious candidate to replace him.
Sam Allardyce England Slovakia
The Telegraph revelations have revealed Sam Allardyce to be a greedy lout.
When the Premier League was born, I at once christened it The Greed Is Good League, and have never seen any good reason to change my mind.
So perhaps in an abysmal and nauseating way, Big Sam Allardyce, England manager – pro tem – is an all too appropriate figure for that job. The very embodiment of greed. That a man already earning over £3million a year, the largest salary of any international manager in the game, should pursue another £400,000 with a fictitious entity surely shows greed far in excess of the late Don Revie. Another disgraced England manager described in the High Court as greedy and dishonest by the judge, though Revie won his case, owing to the intransigent behaviour of the FA’s domineering chairman, the scientist Sir Harold Thompson.
Allardyce, alas, emerges from these bleak revelations as a voracious lout. He makes cheap fun of his predecessor Roy Hodgson who may have made a poor job of running the England team in the recent Euro 2016 finals, but is the embodiment of decency, and in his long largely distinguished career has achieved far more than Allardyce, for all his bombast, ever has.
And when push came to shove, what did Allardyce himself achieve in his one match in charge of England so far? A pitifully meagre win right at the death against a modest Slovakia team reduced to ten men for the majority of the match.
Allardyce’s cynicism is as repugnant as his greed. And what pray as a club manager did he ever truly achieve? He was never in charge of a major club other than Newcastle United, where he failed. His achievements were limited to steering struggling clubs out of trouble. Laughably, he has boasted that he should have been in charge of Inter or Real Madrid. Delusions of grandeur?
Plainly he must go from his England role as quickly as possible, but who would replace him? Ask me another. The cupboard so far as England managers are concerned is pitifully bare. But getting rid of Allardyce himself would at least banish the present miasma.
By Brian Glanville
Tuesday September 27, 2016
Sam Allardyce is a voracious lout who has to go, argues Brian Glanville, even though there is no obvious candidate to replace him.
Sam Allardyce England Slovakia
The Telegraph revelations have revealed Sam Allardyce to be a greedy lout.
When the Premier League was born, I at once christened it The Greed Is Good League, and have never seen any good reason to change my mind.
So perhaps in an abysmal and nauseating way, Big Sam Allardyce, England manager – pro tem – is an all too appropriate figure for that job. The very embodiment of greed. That a man already earning over £3million a year, the largest salary of any international manager in the game, should pursue another £400,000 with a fictitious entity surely shows greed far in excess of the late Don Revie. Another disgraced England manager described in the High Court as greedy and dishonest by the judge, though Revie won his case, owing to the intransigent behaviour of the FA’s domineering chairman, the scientist Sir Harold Thompson.
Allardyce, alas, emerges from these bleak revelations as a voracious lout. He makes cheap fun of his predecessor Roy Hodgson who may have made a poor job of running the England team in the recent Euro 2016 finals, but is the embodiment of decency, and in his long largely distinguished career has achieved far more than Allardyce, for all his bombast, ever has.
And when push came to shove, what did Allardyce himself achieve in his one match in charge of England so far? A pitifully meagre win right at the death against a modest Slovakia team reduced to ten men for the majority of the match.
Allardyce’s cynicism is as repugnant as his greed. And what pray as a club manager did he ever truly achieve? He was never in charge of a major club other than Newcastle United, where he failed. His achievements were limited to steering struggling clubs out of trouble. Laughably, he has boasted that he should have been in charge of Inter or Real Madrid. Delusions of grandeur?
Plainly he must go from his England role as quickly as possible, but who would replace him? Ask me another. The cupboard so far as England managers are concerned is pitifully bare. But getting rid of Allardyce himself would at least banish the present miasma.
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:52 pm
A football genius leaving with a 100% record as England manager In all seriousness this has got to be one of the most laughable and shambolic thing I've seen in football and especially for England oh dear. 
In all seriousness this has got to be one of the most laughable and shambolic thing I've seen in football and especially for England oh dear.
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:01 pm
Pmsl ha ha made my day
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:24 pm
From the Daily Mash
Big Sam doesn’t give a f**k
27-09-16
sam425
ENGLAND manager Sam Allardyce has confirmed that he could not give a f**k what anybody says.
Big Sam responded to allegations he used his role to negotiate a £400,000 deal by asserting that he is not in a position to care less.
He continued: “My baseline is already that I don’t give a f**k, everyone knows that, frankly it’s insulting to suggest otherwise.
“I said Woy was a bollocks manager and England were crap at the Euros? Obviously I’m wrong, that’s why I’m manager now.
“Go ahead, sack me. I hear Pep Guardiola’s interested. Oh no, wait, no he f*cking isn’t.”
An FA spokesman said: “In light of recent performance, we no longer consider any misdeeds while England manager to be a sacking offence.
“We are in no position to do so.”
Big Sam doesn’t give a f**k
27-09-16
sam425
ENGLAND manager Sam Allardyce has confirmed that he could not give a f**k what anybody says.
Big Sam responded to allegations he used his role to negotiate a £400,000 deal by asserting that he is not in a position to care less.
He continued: “My baseline is already that I don’t give a f**k, everyone knows that, frankly it’s insulting to suggest otherwise.
“I said Woy was a bollocks manager and England were crap at the Euros? Obviously I’m wrong, that’s why I’m manager now.
“Go ahead, sack me. I hear Pep Guardiola’s interested. Oh no, wait, no he f*cking isn’t.”
An FA spokesman said: “In light of recent performance, we no longer consider any misdeeds while England manager to be a sacking offence.
“We are in no position to do so.”
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:26 pm
Officially gone according to the Oracle that is Piers Morgan. 1 game, 60odd days.
Ha
Ha
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:28 pm
BREAKING NEWS
SAM ALLARDYCE SACKED AS ENGLAND MANAGER
SAM ALLARDYCE SACKED AS ENGLAND MANAGER
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:49 pm
GARETH SOUTHGATE APPOINTED FOR NEXT FEW ENGLAND MATCHES.
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:16 am
Seems your ex goalkeeping coach made slightly the wrong choice in turning from Wales to go join Sam, lol