Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:31 pm
Sven wrote:wez1927 wrote:https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/134345
if you believe in democracy then sign this petition
Absolutely disgraceful that some people spout democracy so long as it goes in their favour and then bleat like goats as soon as it doesn't!
I really don't believe the 'Brexit' people would have reacted the same had it gone the other way!
Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:42 pm
Owain wrote:wez1927 wrote:wayne wrote:so far 720 have sign the petition , while the other petition is over 4 million
this petition is less than 24hours old the other one is 4 months old and has millions of people from overseas signing it the two can't be compared yet
Out of interest Wez, what are your hopes for the UK now? See my response a couple of posts up to Bridgend blue. It would be interesting to know what ardent out voters are expecting/hoping for next.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:14 pm
BlueDredd wrote:I firmly believe we should have remained. I also think it's a kick in the teeth to see so many of the Welsh vote to leave when we as a country have been given so much aid by the EU. They more or less funded the development of Cardiff, and with us voting out do you really think we're going to have a dime from Westminster? Are we f**k.
Also after working in finance for a number of years I can possibly see it effecting mine and a lot of other jobs in my sector. Investment in the UK will be pulled by major organisations, I even fear we'll see more bank runs in this country.
I've never liked the idea of being a part of the EU. But it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't know, and with Boris Johnson at the helm of this whole thing I can't believe it swayed a country to exit. You could argue that we always haven't been in the EU, but we didn't become the 5th biggest economy in the world without them. We needed them to do that. Just as the US have stated, they'd rather forge trade deals with bigger and better countries than the UK. We'll be at the back of the queue.
"let's put the Great back into Britain" - We're not great. Not one bit. The government is falling apart, and the lies have shown through. Well done Britain.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:17 pm
wayne wrote:so far 720 have sign the petition , while the other petition is over 4 million
Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:24 pm
markeMark wrote:I voted out and won't be signing any petitions. The referendum has come and gone. We live in a democracy, and the majority voted to leave. These petitions are gimmicks, and a waste of time. Are we going to have them from now on for every election if the party we don't vote for wins. Perhaps we can keep holding one after the other if we vote for the monster raving loony party and they don't get in to govern the country. The people who lost are saying they lost because of lies being told by the opposition. It is up to the electorate to decide if they believe what they are being told, it is up to the electorate to read up and do their own research and then make a decision. I was well aware I was not being told the truth by either side. I have voted in numerous general elections, and I have'nt been stupid enough not to realise that every party makes impossible promises. When people tell me I voted out because of campaigners telling lies, they are talking nonsense. I made my decision based on my own research and feelings. If people are gullible enough to hang on every word of a politician, that is entirely up to them. They should not assume everyone voted "out" based entirely on what these politicians told us.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm
Owain wrote:Sven wrote:wez1927 wrote:https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/134345
if you believe in democracy then sign this petition
Absolutely disgraceful that some people spout democracy so long as it goes in their favour and then bleat like goats as soon as it doesn't!
I really don't believe the 'Brexit' people would have reacted the same had it gone the other way!
Farage said that if it was a close remain win it would not be the end, and he would carry on his campaign. Additionally, the main petition was srarted by an out voter that thought he would lose.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:47 pm
Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:53 pm
wez1927 wrote:https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/134345
if you believe in democracy then sign this petition
Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:59 pm
Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:03 pm
markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:12 pm
markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:14 pm
markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:17 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Maybe the bitter ones won't be. But I for one am glad. Try to get back some of the £100 billion that been lost. Also I would add we still in the eu. The truth will be when we leave the eu. ( if Infact we ever do?)
Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:18 pm
wayne wrote:so far 720 have sign the petition , while the other petition is over 4 million
Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:29 pm
darran1927 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Maybe the bitter ones won't be. But I for one am glad. Try to get back some of the £100 billion that been lost. Also I would add we still in the eu. The truth will be when we leave the eu. ( if Infact we ever do?)
but when the markets plummeted we were still in the EU ,can't have it both ways that only the things positve is happening because we are still in the EU but when it's anything negative it's because of Brexit
Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:37 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Bit of a confusing statement. 1 month ago we were in the eu. Today we are in the eu. You voted for leave yet you saying how well the LSE is doing today under the EU rules.
I'm confused. I think it this is some sort of cheap shot. Be a gracious winner.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:12 pm
Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:19 pm
rustyblue wrote:I think that there should be a second referendum once the discussions have been completed and we know exactly what the exit package actually is, that is democracy.
We are leaving, its happening, just has to be right.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:40 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:darran1927 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Maybe the bitter ones won't be. But I for one am glad. Try to get back some of the £100 billion that been lost. Also I would add we still in the eu. The truth will be when we leave the eu. ( if Infact we ever do?)
but when the markets plummeted we were still in the EU ,can't have it both ways that only the things positve is happening because we are still in the EU but when it's anything negative it's because of Brexit
That is correct. The markets plummeted because we had a big referendum. They didn't plummet because we left the eu. Because we haven't. We haven't even issued article 51. So we don't know what the effects of leavening the eu are to markets till we left the eu.
Yes the markets dropped while we In the eu. And the markets are rising now because we in the eu. Not having it both ways. (By me at least). We have to wait a few years before we know the effect of leaving the eu. When/if we actually leave it.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:50 pm
troobloo3339 wrote:You really are rather thick
The markets dropped BECOUSE we voted leave
The markets are back where they started from BECOUSE knee jerk reactions never last ,they are defo not moving up BECOUSE we are still in the eu ,but more likely BECOUSE we will prosper outside of the eu
Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:08 pm
troobloo3339 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:darran1927 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Maybe the bitter ones won't be. But I for one am glad. Try to get back some of the £100 billion that been lost. Also I would add we still in the eu. The truth will be when we leave the eu. ( if Infact we ever do?)
but when the markets plummeted we were still in the EU ,can't have it both ways that only the things positve is happening because we are still in the EU but when it's anything negative it's because of Brexit
That is correct. The markets plummeted because we had a big referendum. They didn't plummet because we left the eu. Because we haven't. We haven't even issued article 51. So we don't know what the effects of leavening the eu are to markets till we left the eu.
Yes the markets dropped while we In the eu. And the markets are rising now because we in the eu. Not having it both ways. (By me at least). We have to wait a few years before we know the effect of leaving the eu. When/if we actually leave it.
You really are rather thick
The markets dropped BECOUSE we voted leave
The markets are back where they started from BECOUSE knee jerk reactions never last ,they are defo not moving up BECOUSE we are still in the eu ,but more likely BECOUSE we will prosper outside of the eu
Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:16 pm
norms76 wrote:It's done, simple, what will happen if they do and this time it's the Remain that wins. Do the brexit lot start another petition and have a 3rd referendum. Where does it end?
The people have spoken, lets get on with it.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:26 pm
Fusilier52 wrote:BlueDredd wrote:I firmly believe we should have remained. I also think it's a kick in the teeth to see so many of the Welsh vote to leave when we as a country have been given so much aid by the EU. They more or less funded the development of Cardiff, and with us voting out do you really think we're going to have a dime from Westminster? Are we f**k.
Also after working in finance for a number of years I can possibly see it effecting mine and a lot of other jobs in my sector. Investment in the UK will be pulled by major organisations, I even fear we'll see more bank runs in this country.
I've never liked the idea of being a part of the EU. But it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't know, and with Boris Johnson at the helm of this whole thing I can't believe it swayed a country to exit. You could argue that we always haven't been in the EU, but we didn't become the 5th biggest economy in the world without them. We needed them to do that. Just as the US have stated, they'd rather forge trade deals with bigger and better countries than the UK. We'll be at the back of the queue.
"let's put the Great back into Britain" - We're not great. Not one bit. The government is falling apart, and the lies have shown through. Well done Britain.
and that in your second and 3rd line of your post sums up the reason why only Cardiff in the whole of Wales voted to remain in .With very little tangible evidence on money spent on the rest of Wales except for a couple of by pass roads and handouts to the already poorly funded and restricted farming communities what else have they done .
Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:51 pm
troobloo3339 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:darran1927 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Maybe the bitter ones won't be. But I for one am glad. Try to get back some of the £100 billion that been lost. Also I would add we still in the eu. The truth will be when we leave the eu. ( if Infact we ever do?)
but when the markets plummeted we were still in the EU ,can't have it both ways that only the things positve is happening because we are still in the EU but when it's anything negative it's because of Brexit
That is correct. The markets plummeted because we had a big referendum. They didn't plummet because we left the eu. Because we haven't. We haven't even issued article 51. So we don't know what the effects of leavening the eu are to markets till we left the eu.
Yes the markets dropped while we In the eu. And the markets are rising now because we in the eu. Not having it both ways. (By me at least). We have to wait a few years before we know the effect of leaving the eu. When/if we actually leave it.
You really are rather thick
The markets dropped BECOUSE we voted leave
The markets are back where they started from BECOUSE knee jerk reactions never last ,they are defo not moving up BECOUSE we are still in the eu ,but more likely BECOUSE we will prosper outside of the eu
Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:52 pm
McNaughtyButNice wrote:Fusilier52 wrote:BlueDredd wrote:I firmly believe we should have remained. I also think it's a kick in the teeth to see so many of the Welsh vote to leave when we as a country have been given so much aid by the EU. They more or less funded the development of Cardiff, and with us voting out do you really think we're going to have a dime from Westminster? Are we f**k.
Also after working in finance for a number of years I can possibly see it effecting mine and a lot of other jobs in my sector. Investment in the UK will be pulled by major organisations, I even fear we'll see more bank runs in this country.
I've never liked the idea of being a part of the EU. But it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't know, and with Boris Johnson at the helm of this whole thing I can't believe it swayed a country to exit. You could argue that we always haven't been in the EU, but we didn't become the 5th biggest economy in the world without them. We needed them to do that. Just as the US have stated, they'd rather forge trade deals with bigger and better countries than the UK. We'll be at the back of the queue.
"let's put the Great back into Britain" - We're not great. Not one bit. The government is falling apart, and the lies have shown through. Well done Britain.
and that in your second and 3rd line of your post sums up the reason why only Cardiff in the whole of Wales voted to remain in .With very little tangible evidence on money spent on the rest of Wales except for a couple of by pass roads and handouts to the already poorly funded and restricted farming communities what else have they done .
JUst FYI - over £300 million invested in Ebbw Vale in the past few years. If you read the whole of this article from The Guardian you may find it quite enlightening, as it shows exactly how and where some part of the Eu money in Wales has been spent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale
Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:00 pm
troobloo3339 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:darran1927 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:I guess the remain camp are not going too be happy with the London Stock Exchange today as it continues to climb and is now higher than it was exactly one month ago.
Maybe the bitter ones won't be. But I for one am glad. Try to get back some of the £100 billion that been lost. Also I would add we still in the eu. The truth will be when we leave the eu. ( if Infact we ever do?)
but when the markets plummeted we were still in the EU ,can't have it both ways that only the things positve is happening because we are still in the EU but when it's anything negative it's because of Brexit
That is correct. The markets plummeted because we had a big referendum. They didn't plummet because we left the eu. Because we haven't. We haven't even issued article 51. So we don't know what the effects of leavening the eu are to markets till we left the eu.
Yes the markets dropped while we In the eu. And the markets are rising now because we in the eu. Not having it both ways. (By me at least). We have to wait a few years before we know the effect of leaving the eu. When/if we actually leave it.
You really are rather thick
The markets dropped BECOUSE we voted leave
The markets are back where they started from BECOUSE knee jerk reactions never last ,they are defo not moving up BECOUSE we are still in the eu ,but more likely BECOUSE we will prosper outside of the eu
Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:15 pm
Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:54 pm
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:There won't be a second referendum, no government will ever go against the will of the people. It's important we get a Brexit PM or a remain PM who accepts the result. There is no coming back from this now, the people have spoken and risen up against the establishment.
Long live democracy and long live the people.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:28 pm
Stan_B wrote:buckleys brewery wrote:Lie after lie after lie, and the suckers fell for it. Fact.
But the bigger lies were told by the remain brigade. Even the petition to have a second referendum has thousands of invalid signatures. Basically cheats and liars. Just accept that the people with common sense won the day and get on with life.
The petition we should have now is to implement Article 50. Once that happens there is no going back.
Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:40 pm