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the blue beast wrote:Out of interest Tony, do you believe that the immigration will now stop and the health care and housing will see a significant boost as a result of the leave vote?
Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:44 am
Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:54 am
Jimmy Scoular wrote:Both parties in complete meltdown at the same time..unprecedented !!!!!
Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:28 am
Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:46 am
wez1927 wrote:the blue beast wrote:Out of interest Tony, do you believe that the immigration will now stop and the health care and housing will see a significant boost as a result of the leave vote?
It should do if we have a strong government who will sort it out
Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:46 am
TopCat CCFC wrote:Another 4 gone - given up their posts .... More to go ... What a mess!!!
Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:52 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is so typical of the political classes. The country has spoken and the majority have stated that immigration has gone too far and something now has to be done to put the breaks on.
His answer? We are wrong migration is brilliant we should live with it whilst he lives in a nice house miles away from the impact of mass immigration.
Indeed I watched him yesterday deliver a speech stating the answer was to spend MORE on accommodating migrants! Talk about out of touch.
Those who live in areas of mass migration have had enough of the negative impacts that it brings to schools, healthcare, housing and employment. It is time to stop taking the white working class for granted and start representing those who actually formed the party over 100 years ago.
If you can't do that Jeremy then it is time to go.
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Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:04 pm
powysblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is so typical of the political classes. The country has spoken and the majority have stated that immigration has gone too far and something now has to be done to put the breaks on.
His answer? We are wrong migration is brilliant we should live with it whilst he lives in a nice house miles away from the impact of mass immigration.
Indeed I watched him yesterday deliver a speech stating the answer was to spend MORE on accommodating migrants! Talk about out of touch.
Those who live in areas of mass migration have had enough of the negative impacts that it brings to schools, healthcare, housing and employment. It is time to stop taking the white working class for granted and start representing those who actually formed the party over 100 years ago.
If you can't do that Jeremy then it is time to go.
Agree with all of that Tony, and I am a right wing leaning Conservative but we need a strong Labour party to keep people in my party to account. We have the top political system in the world here in UK although there are Millions who wish to somehow undermine our Democracy, for all it's idiosyncrasies.
Concerning the Referendum,the thing I just do not understand is that if the Remain side had won it with the same 52% - 48% split, I for one, and I am sure most others would be gracious enough and MAN or WOMAN enough to admit defeat and then UNITE to make our country better for it, But now you are getting all the moaners, whingers, doom mongers, etc, etc who seem to conveniently forget that a referendum is a two way vote with the winner being the majority - even if that is by just one vote.
The media are fueling this and I have no doubt that there are people behind the scenes here and in Europe who are secretly plotting to undermine this democratic result - look what happened in Portugal and Ireland - their population said NO and they said "we don't accept that" and changed the wording and called another referendum and won - UNDEMOCRATIC LUNACY.
I would have sided with most and thought that a period of calm reflection is needed for a while before we invoke article 50 of the EU constitution (2 years to leave) but with what I said above being an option by the establishment, I think we should get out now ASAP and be sure of no Con tricks.
I just hope the bad losers - including Scarlet pimpernel Mr Osborne when he comes out of hiding, are all gracious enough to make this work and make Great Britain the place that it should be.
Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:06 pm
Bluebird For Life wrote:Its nothing to do with being bad losers - can't you see what is happening in front of your very eyes already? We have no effective government, we have no effective opposition and we have no leadership from the so called winners of the referendum. Our currency is falling, we have already spent 40 years worth of EU contributions to stabilise the markets and in losses and there is already people on the streets calling for repatriation of immigrants.
Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:07 pm
Bluebird For Life wrote:Its nothing to do with being bad losers - can't you see what is happening in front of your very eyes already? We have no effective government, we have no effective opposition and we have no leadership from the so called winners of the referendum. Our currency is falling, we have already spent 40 years worth of EU contributions to stabilise the markets and in losses and there is already people on the streets calling for repatriation of immigrants.
Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:22 pm
Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:23 pm
powysblue wrote:Bluebird For Life wrote:Its nothing to do with being bad losers - can't you see what is happening in front of your very eyes already? We have no effective government, we have no effective opposition and we have no leadership from the so called winners of the referendum. Our currency is falling, we have already spent 40 years worth of EU contributions to stabilise the markets and in losses and there is already people on the streets calling for repatriation of immigrants.
You are quite unbelievable, you accuse others of following what the politicians and media say, accuse Vote leavers of being somehow racist, idiots, uneducated, etc, etc.
Of course you do know that leadership comes from Government, not the Brexiteers, indeed they cannot make no decisions at all, so why no leadership from the so called winners - it should read "no leadership in humility from the losers" !!! ha,ha
That is why Mr Cameron should have come out and shown some leadership by now and not show his sour grapes.
I try not to offend anyone my friend - but your posts really do take the biscuit.
Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:03 pm
Bluebird For Life wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Another 4 gone - given up their posts .... More to go ... What a mess!!!
Its just the start of the mess mate...
Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:14 pm
Bluebird For Life wrote:powysblue wrote:Bluebird For Life wrote:Its nothing to do with being bad losers - can't you see what is happening in front of your very eyes already? We have no effective government, we have no effective opposition and we have no leadership from the so called winners of the referendum. Our currency is falling, we have already spent 40 years worth of EU contributions to stabilise the markets and in losses and there is already people on the streets calling for repatriation of immigrants.
You are quite unbelievable, you accuse others of following what the politicians and media say, accuse Vote leavers of being somehow racist, idiots, uneducated, etc, etc.
Of course you do know that leadership comes from Government, not the Brexiteers, indeed they cannot make no decisions at all, so why no leadership from the so called winners - it should read "no leadership in humility from the losers" !!! ha,ha
That is why Mr Cameron should have come out and shown some leadership by now and not show his sour grapes.
I try not to offend anyone my friend - but your posts really do take the biscuit.
I have not anywhere accused anyone of being a racist, an idiot or uneducated unlike some, so you really should retract that statement please. People who know me, know that I am a very balanced person, so although I fundamentally disagree with your politics and those who have voted to leave, I respect your right to do so and that the majority vote has been cast in favour to leave, but surely even you can see that the situation is unravelling in front of our very eyes. You may not be one of them, but there are undoubtedly people who voted leave [as there probably were in the remain camp too] because they were promised certain things via the media or believed they were. I hold Cameron responsible for this whole mess by calling the referendum in the first place in order to try and sort out his internal party politics, but that does not mean the so called winners i.e. Brexsit despite not being the government should not be out there reassuring people or is it perhaps that they have no exit strategy?
Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:18 pm
carlccfc wrote:The Labour Party need David Milliband, plain and simple.
Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:21 pm
carlccfc wrote:The Labour Party need David Milliband, plain and simple.
Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:34 pm
powysblue wrote:Bluebird For Life wrote:powysblue wrote:Bluebird For Life wrote:Its nothing to do with being bad losers - can't you see what is happening in front of your very eyes already? We have no effective government, we have no effective opposition and we have no leadership from the so called winners of the referendum. Our currency is falling, we have already spent 40 years worth of EU contributions to stabilise the markets and in losses and there is already people on the streets calling for repatriation of immigrants.
You are quite unbelievable, you accuse others of following what the politicians and media say, accuse Vote leavers of being somehow racist, idiots, uneducated, etc, etc.
Of course you do know that leadership comes from Government, not the Brexiteers, indeed they cannot make no decisions at all, so why no leadership from the so called winners - it should read "no leadership in humility from the losers" !!! ha,ha
That is why Mr Cameron should have come out and shown some leadership by now and not show his sour grapes.
I try not to offend anyone my friend - but your posts really do take the biscuit.
I have not anywhere accused anyone of being a racist, an idiot or uneducated unlike some, so you really should retract that statement please. People who know me, know that I am a very balanced person, so although I fundamentally disagree with your politics and those who have voted to leave, I respect your right to do so and that the majority vote has been cast in favour to leave, but surely even you can see that the situation is unravelling in front of our very eyes. You may not be one of them, but there are undoubtedly people who voted leave [as there probably were in the remain camp too] because they were promised certain things via the media or believed they were. I hold Cameron responsible for this whole mess by calling the referendum in the first place in order to try and sort out his internal party politics, but that does not mean the so called winners i.e. Brexsit despite not being the government should not be out there reassuring people or is it perhaps that they have no exit strategy?
OK, Bluebird for life, I retract the racist bit but I'm Sure "The buffoon and his cronies" on the morning of the referendum result was a bit of over passion?
But with total respect, you do not seem to have a balanced view of others opinion - as you say we all have a democratic right of free speech, I just think that a little bit of Humility, especially when your views are overturned that the Gentlemanly thing to do is have a bit of respect for each others opinion and in this particular case - Get on with it !!
Keep Calm and carry on !!!
Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:39 pm
carlccfc wrote:The Labour Party need David Milliband, plain and simple.
Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:47 pm
scooby1973 wrote:carlccfc wrote:The Labour Party need David Milliband, plain and simple.
I agree, but can't see him coming back
Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:57 pm
Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:00 pm
Bluebird For Life wrote:the first thing the tories are going to have to do is find someone to sign article 50 as it is a no win job for whoever takes it on. Sign and they condemn us to the break up of the UK and all of the inevitable cost, uncertainty, the likely continuation of already implemented EU regulation and laws and red tape of the "divorce", don't sign, you retain the status quo and you aren't carrying out the will of the majority of the people. Tough choice, but I don't see Boris or Gove having the balls to do it. Farrage doesn't count as not as important as he thinks he is, so not many choices left and Cameron staying until October has really put the cat among the pigeons, despite the praise he got when he resigned because he stated that he would sign the morning after if he lost but it looks like he was calling all of their bluffs...
Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:21 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:scooby1973 wrote:carlccfc wrote:The Labour Party need David Milliband, plain and simple.
I agree, but can't see him coming back
I agree with both statements.
What a different place the uk would be today if he was elected leader of the lab party. He could quite possibly be prime monster now. Probably no eu referendum even if the there was probably remain win.
But that's all ifs and buts. We are where we are. We need to move forward, no need for either side to continue throwing mud at each other. Accept the result that the people that voted wanted. It may well be the country didn't get what it wanted but that's the 28% of the population who chose not to vote for whatever reason and that's just part of life.
I personally believe that In 5 years time we still be I. The eu. Borris to be next pm dep down him and gove never wanted to leave and they'll negotiate terms that are acceptable to both sides. There may be another referendum about the new deal which I think will have baa king of most leave campaigners. And country will remote to remain by a land slide.
No science behind but just my feel of things.
Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:31 pm
the blue beast wrote:Out of interest Tony, do you believe that the immigration will now stop and the health care and housing will see a significant boost as a result of the leave vote?