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Sven wrote:Quote: "JONES...exciting football but underachieved and failed to get promoted. Plenty of money spent."
Sorry, fella, but you blew your whole thread away just with that single line!
Jones (not everyone's cup of tea) achieved a lot with what he had and the money he (didn't) have to spend!
Malky was technically "the most successful" but look at what he had at his disposal and what lied beneath!
Ole? Well, personally I would have liked to see what happened over a season. We couldn't have ended up any worse than we did on the playing front!
Slade? Has done the job Tan expected and is flirting with the play-offs thanks (in large) to the ineptitude of other clubs to put a run together in a tight league. Won't take us to the 'next level' but cannot be seen as a failure under the circumstances either
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:25 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Sven wrote:Quote: "JONES...exciting football but underachieved and failed to get promoted. Plenty of money spent."
Sorry, fella, but you blew your whole thread away just with that single line!
Jones (not everyone's cup of tea) achieved a lot with what he had and the money he (didn't) have to spend!
Malky was technically "the most successful" but look at what he had at his disposal and what lied beneath!
Ole? Well, personally I would have liked to see what happened over a season. We couldn't have ended up any worse than we did on the playing front!
Slade? Has done the job Tan expected and is flirting with the play-offs thanks (in large) to the ineptitude of other clubs to put a run together in a tight league. Won't take us to the 'next level' but cannot be seen as a failure under the circumstances either
Jones still had a much bigger budget than Slade currently has. Jones was able to bring in Chopra, Koumas, Fowler, Hasselbaink and Sinclair on big wages. I agree with the OP that Jones spent quite a bit of money and the money could have been better spent going on more efficient players with the correct character ahead of big named mercenaries.
Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:32 pm
Sven wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Sven wrote:Quote: "JONES...exciting football but underachieved and failed to get promoted. Plenty of money spent."
Sorry, fella, but you blew your whole thread away just with that single line!
Jones (not everyone's cup of tea) achieved a lot with what he had and the money he (didn't) have to spend!
Malky was technically "the most successful" but look at what he had at his disposal and what lied beneath!
Ole? Well, personally I would have liked to see what happened over a season. We couldn't have ended up any worse than we did on the playing front!
Slade? Has done the job Tan expected and is flirting with the play-offs thanks (in large) to the ineptitude of other clubs to put a run together in a tight league. Won't take us to the 'next level' but cannot be seen as a failure under the circumstances either
Jones still had a much bigger budget than Slade currently has. Jones was able to bring in Chopra, Koumas, Fowler, Hasselbaink and Sinclair on big wages. I agree with the OP that Jones spent quite a bit of money and the money could have been better spent going on more efficient players with the correct character ahead of big named mercenaries.
In comparison to Malky and Ole he (Jones) had a relatively small budget and got us close before Tan came in
In my opinion, Jones would also have 'achieved' the dream had he stayed. Indeed, it appears that Tan later regretted his decision and tried to get Jones back; although admittedly the Malky situation itself probably played a big part in that!
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:03 pm
balkanblue wrote:Dave Jones easily.
Anyone saying he underachieved is clueless. He overachieved considering during his time as manager he also made us net £20m in profit through his transfer activity. Are we really going to pretend he had it all easy at the club and underachieved? What world are people living in? He kept us up there fighting with a side in financial turmoil off the pitch, disruptive club politics and having to sell players and rotate the squad often. He did an incredible job at the club.
Dave Jones summed up:
1) kept us competitive in all competitions
2) made us profit through his transfer activities
3) did this given the financial and political situation at the club
Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:08 pm
Bluebird1977 wrote:balkanblue wrote:Dave Jones easily.
Anyone saying he underachieved is clueless. He overachieved considering during his time as manager he also made us net £20m in profit through his transfer activity. Are we really going to pretend he had it all easy at the club and underachieved? What world are people living in? He kept us up there fighting with a side in financial turmoil off the pitch, disruptive club politics and having to sell players and rotate the squad often. He did an incredible job at the club.
Dave Jones summed up:
1) kept us competitive in all competitions
2) made us profit through his transfer activities
3) did this given the financial and political situation at the club
Hear hear pal hear f*cking hear, lets be honest if jones had the money what the last pair before slade had then he would of took us up to but like jones said after he left he done a sky sports game on us and said live on air about his time with us and I quote " CARDIFF WANTED IT ALL ON THE CHEAP at the time and wished he had been given what malky had in his time here at the club "
Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:10 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Bluebird1977 wrote:balkanblue wrote:Dave Jones easily.
Anyone saying he underachieved is clueless. He overachieved considering during his time as manager he also made us net £20m in profit through his transfer activity. Are we really going to pretend he had it all easy at the club and underachieved? What world are people living in? He kept us up there fighting with a side in financial turmoil off the pitch, disruptive club politics and having to sell players and rotate the squad often. He did an incredible job at the club.
Dave Jones summed up:
1) kept us competitive in all competitions
2) made us profit through his transfer activities
3) did this given the financial and political situation at the club
Hear hear pal hear f*cking hear, lets be honest if jones had the money what the last pair before slade had then he would of took us up to but like jones said after he left he done a sky sports game on us and said live on air about his time with us and I quote " CARDIFF WANTED IT ALL ON THE CHEAP at the time and wished he had been given what malky had in his time here at the club "
Wonder where the £20 million went.
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petesmeat wrote:Malky > Jones > Slade > farmyard animals > Ole.
Malky pushed us over the line, in a tougher division than usual. His big money signings (bar Cornelius) recouped or made us money and we had a fighting chance of staying up until the moron that is OGS took over. Slade has had a tough job but at least he's undid most of the damage Solksjaer did. We won't ever do anything under Slade though, the football and we aren't built to nick 1-0s like we were under Malky.
The football under Jones was the best but we were weak mentally, if you could combine Mackay's spine with Jones' flair you'd have a hell of a side (hard to do, I know!).
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Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:28 am
balkanblue wrote:Dave Jones easily.
Anyone saying he underachieved is clueless. He overachieved considering during his time as manager he also made us net £20m in profit through his transfer activity. Are we really going to pretend he had it all easy at the club and underachieved? What world are people living in? He kept us up there fighting with a side in financial turmoil off the pitch, disruptive club politics and having to sell players and rotate the squad often. He did an incredible job at the club.
Dave Jones summed up:
1) kept us competitive in all competitions
2) made us profit through his transfer activities
3) did this given the financial and political situation at the club
Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:54 pm
petesmeat wrote:Malky > Jones > Slade > farmyard animals > Ole.
Malky pushed us over the line, in a tougher division than usual. His big money signings (bar Cornelius) recouped or made us money and we had a fighting chance of staying up until the moron that is OGS took over. Slade has had a tough job but at least he's undid most of the damage Solksjaer did. We won't ever do anything under Slade though, the football and we aren't built to nick 1-0s like we were under Malky.
The football under Jones was the best but we were weak mentally, if you could combine Mackay's spine with Jones' flair you'd have a hell of a side (hard to do, I know!).
Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:10 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:balkanblue wrote:Dave Jones easily.
Anyone saying he underachieved is clueless. He overachieved considering during his time as manager he also made us net £20m in profit through his transfer activity. Are we really going to pretend he had it all easy at the club and underachieved? What world are people living in? He kept us up there fighting with a side in financial turmoil off the pitch, disruptive club politics and having to sell players and rotate the squad often. He did an incredible job at the club.
Dave Jones summed up:
1) kept us competitive in all competitions
2) made us profit through his transfer activities
3) did this given the financial and political situation at the club
Anyone who has to slaughter and insult the opinions of others just to get their own point over, simply losses credibility and appear to be completely arrogant
Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:27 pm
maccydee wrote:petesmeat wrote:Malky > Jones > Slade > farmyard animals > Ole.
Malky pushed us over the line, in a tougher division than usual. His big money signings (bar Cornelius) recouped or made us money and we had a fighting chance of staying up until the moron that is OGS took over. Slade has had a tough job but at least he's undid most of the damage Solksjaer did. We won't ever do anything under Slade though, the football and we aren't built to nick 1-0s like we were under Malky.
The football under Jones was the best but we were weak mentally, if you could combine Mackay's spine with Jones' flair you'd have a hell of a side (hard to do, I know!).
Complete rubbish about Malky's signings.
Kenny Miller 750k 25k a week free transfer.
Kim 2.5 million 20k a week free transfer.
Theophile Catherine 3.5 million 25k a week. Gonna be released.
Fillip Kiss 500k 10k a week. Gonna be released.
Nicky Maynard 2.5 million 25k a week. Released.
Velikonja 2 million 15k a week. Gonna be released.
And as you mentioned Andreas 'one for the future' Cornelius.
That's partly why debt is so high.
Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:45 pm
llan bluebird wrote:Malky was light years ahead of any of them as a football manager. I believe their was no joy in those seasons except in the results, it was professional, dour and bloody effective. He understood the modern game and player.The premier season exposed his limitations though and the lack of experience around the club amplified that. We can't go back, but need to learn, but we haven't, we still haven't got a decent administrator at the senior level.
Ole must have learnt a lot for his 10 months with us. I would love to read his thoughts about what he would do different. As a tactician i think he could see the changes he needed to make very very quickly, but left his options in the stand in favour of his rotation policy.
Jones realized its only a game, life had taught him that, so he went for it. There was joy during his tenure although he couldn't control the players and allowed their little "excesses". His version of a 442 had players in their real positions. He did love a name though, but it was part of the romance.
Slade understands the lower levels of the game but never the top end. He should be thanked as he steadied a ship that was sinking, but its time to say goodbye. A few more players need to leave for him to complete his task though.
Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:08 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:maccydee wrote:petesmeat wrote:Malky > Jones > Slade > farmyard animals > Ole.
Malky pushed us over the line, in a tougher division than usual. His big money signings (bar Cornelius) recouped or made us money and we had a fighting chance of staying up until the moron that is OGS took over. Slade has had a tough job but at least he's undid most of the damage Solksjaer did. We won't ever do anything under Slade though, the football and we aren't built to nick 1-0s like we were under Malky.
The football under Jones was the best but we were weak mentally, if you could combine Mackay's spine with Jones' flair you'd have a hell of a side (hard to do, I know!).
Complete rubbish about Malky's signings.
Kenny Miller 750k 25k a week free transfer.
Kim 2.5 million 20k a week free transfer.
Theophile Catherine 3.5 million 25k a week. Gonna be released.
Fillip Kiss 500k 10k a week. Gonna be released.
Nicky Maynard 2.5 million 25k a week. Released.
Velikonja 2 million 15k a week. Gonna be released.
And as you mentioned Andreas 'one for the future' Cornelius.
That's partly why debt is so high.
The majority of those players contributed to getting us to a cup final and the Premiership. We benefitted massively financially from Malky's reign and we are still benefitting from the parachute payments now.
Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:38 pm
maccydee wrote:petesmeat wrote:Malky > Jones > Slade > farmyard animals > Ole.
Malky pushed us over the line, in a tougher division than usual. His big money signings (bar Cornelius) recouped or made us money and we had a fighting chance of staying up until the moron that is OGS took over. Slade has had a tough job but at least he's undid most of the damage Solksjaer did. We won't ever do anything under Slade though, the football and we aren't built to nick 1-0s like we were under Malky.
The football under Jones was the best but we were weak mentally, if you could combine Mackay's spine with Jones' flair you'd have a hell of a side (hard to do, I know!).
Complete rubbish about Malky's signings.
Kenny Miller 750k 25k a week free transfer.
Kim 2.5 million 20k a week free transfer.
Theophile Catherine 3.5 million 25k a week. Gonna be released.
Fillip Kiss 500k 10k a week. Gonna be released.
Nicky Maynard 2.5 million 25k a week. Released.
Velikonja 2 million 15k a week. Gonna be released.
And as you mentioned Andreas 'one for the future' Cornelius.
That's partly why debt is so high.