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Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:03 pm

Quite a few posters on here state that Slade is a yes man. I am trying to understand what they mean when by this?

Could you put some more meat on the bones as to why you think this, what concrete evidence you have to support this

Also what manager you would have had in place instead with the restrictions that tan has put on slade? It's no point the iDisk suspects because they would not have come with the way the club would have been sold and the work that was needed to be done

I am sure this will generate more questions as the thread developes

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:08 pm

If Slade was a yes man then he would be playing Tans signings like Velikonja, Guerra and Burgstaller when they were here but he didn't Slade is not a yes man concluded. :thumbup:

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:16 pm

While I think he is happy to listen to Tan I don't think it effects his team.

Trollope for me, saves a wage.

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:36 pm

Slade was the only manager to challenge tan on the rebrand ,ole and malky didn't

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:45 pm

Careful Dobbin you will get accused of having a dig.

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:52 pm

wez1927 wrote:Slade was the only manager to challenge tan on the rebrand ,ole and malky didn't


I always got the impression Ole was quite public about his dislike of the rebrand?

Malky loved it while he had free reign wasting millions mind.

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:58 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Slade was the only manager to challenge tan on the rebrand ,ole and malky didn't


I always got the impression Ole was quite public about his dislike of the rebrand?

Malky loved it while he had free reign wasting millions mind.


In Malky's defence he wasn't alone. A load of our fans were happy when we were spending millions and winning.

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:39 pm

maccydee wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Slade was the only manager to challenge tan on the rebrand ,ole and malky didn't


I always got the impression Ole was quite public about his dislike of the rebrand?

Malky loved it while he had free reign wasting millions mind.


In Malky's defence he wasn't alone. A load of our fans were happy when we were spending millions and winning.


Of course but we were talking about the managers.
Our fans have more faces than Big Ben.

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:35 pm

The "yes man" tag is bullshit and just one of many excuses so called fans use to justify their complete lack of loyalty in no longer supporting Cardiff City FC. It eases their conscience in staying away now they can't blame the rebrand.

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:47 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:The "yes man" tag is bullshit and just one of many excuses so called fans use to justify their complete lack of loyalty in no longer supporting Cardiff City FC. It eases their conscience in staying away now they can't blame the rebrand.


I agree with this. I don't think any of our managers have been yes men, the difference is the restrictions each manager had on them.

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:28 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:The "yes man" tag is bullshit and just one of many excuses so called fans use to justify their complete lack of loyalty in no longer supporting Cardiff City FC. It eases their conscience in staying away now they can't blame the rebrand.



Slade is Tans Yes Man...

Tan states and Russel says Yes...

Clever play by Tan though as since his arrival at the club Tans name is less slated as Slade gets attacked the most when things are going wrong.


As for the Rebrand comment.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but when we played in Red we got our highest crowds in our modern day.. (Prem helped granted)

Blue and Empty stadium with dwindling attendances is more like the Cardiff i grew up with.


Queue abuse for casting my opinion .....

Re: Yes Man

Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:31 pm

AJ1927 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:The "yes man" tag is bullshit and just one of many excuses so called fans use to justify their complete lack of loyalty in no longer supporting Cardiff City FC. It eases their conscience in staying away now they can't blame the rebrand.



Slade is Tans Yes Man...

Tan states and Russel says Yes...

Clever play by Tan though as since his arrival at the club Tans name is less slated as Slade gets attacked the most when things are going wrong.


As for the Rebrand comment.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but when we played in Red we got our highest crowds in our modern day.. (Prem helped granted)

Blue and Empty stadium with dwindling attendances is more like the Cardiff i grew up with.


Queue abuse for casting my opinion .....



eagerly awaiting your examples....

Re: Yes Man

Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:21 am

2blue2handle wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Slade was the only manager to challenge tan on the rebrand ,ole and malky didn't


I always got the impression Ole was quite public about his dislike of the rebrand?

Malky loved it while he had free reign wasting millions mind.


Luke, Correct Ole was :bluescarf:

Re: Yes Man

Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:59 am

i dont think any manager is a yes man, i think they basically, dont speak up enough about certain things, i mean if slade was 100% sure he will get the club promoted, the moment the club said no money will be for transfers he would of gone, "tan, you want premiership football, back me, or sack me"....... its like, same as malky, if tan really did sign velonijka and others, malky he should of been like, hey, this is my team, you want promotion, then i sign the players....i think they all accept something shitty, for something small thats positive.

Re: Yes Man

Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:42 am

paulh_85 wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:The "yes man" tag is bullshit and just one of many excuses so called fans use to justify their complete lack of loyalty in no longer supporting Cardiff City FC. It eases their conscience in staying away now they can't blame the rebrand.



Slade is Tans Yes Man...

Tan states and Russel says Yes...

Clever play by Tan though as since his arrival at the club Tans name is less slated as Slade gets attacked the most when things are going wrong.


As for the Rebrand comment.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but when we played in Red we got our highest crowds in our modern day.. (Prem helped granted)

Blue and Empty stadium with dwindling attendances is more like the Cardiff i grew up with.


Queue abuse for casting my opinion .....



eagerly awaiting your examples....

Agree, he constantly states this but where's the evidence? His remarks are about as far fetched as is comic books. Evidence please?

Re: Yes Man

Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:08 pm

bluebird04 wrote:i dont think any manager is a yes man, i think they basically, dont speak up enough about certain things, i mean if slade was 100% sure he will get the club promoted, the moment the club said no money will be for transfers he would of gone, "tan, you want premiership football, back me, or sack me"....... its like, same as malky, if tan really did sign velonijka and others, malky he should of been like, hey, this is my team, you want promotion, then i sign the players....i think they all accept something shitty, for something small thats positive.



Take it you've never heard Mr Romanov former owner of Hearts of Midlothian ?

Tell any Hearts fan that there's no such thing as a Yes man and watch their response.

Re: Yes Man

Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:12 pm

norms76 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:The "yes man" tag is bullshit and just one of many excuses so called fans use to justify their complete lack of loyalty in no longer supporting Cardiff City FC. It eases their conscience in staying away now they can't blame the rebrand.



Slade is Tans Yes Man...

Tan states and Russel says Yes...

Clever play by Tan though as since his arrival at the club Tans name is less slated as Slade gets attacked the most when things are going wrong.


As for the Rebrand comment.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but when we played in Red we got our highest crowds in our modern day.. (Prem helped granted)

Blue and Empty stadium with dwindling attendances is more like the Cardiff i grew up with.


Queue abuse for casting my opinion .....



eagerly awaiting your examples....

Agree, he constantly states this but where's the evidence? His remarks are about as far fetched as is comic books. Evidence please?


Keep Waiting girls, why do I need to provide evidence for my opinion?
It's my opinion end of... It's not influenced by others.

What has Comics got to do with this thread? Nothing whatsoever, no wonder why I visit this place less and less

Re: Yes Man

Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:47 pm

maccydee wrote:Careful Dobbin you will get accused of having a dig.


Not having a dig - frustrated as I see it posted quite a lot by the same people all the time but never substantiated

People that know me will know it not a dig just a genuine question

What's concerning me is those that post it have gone radio silent !!!

Re: Yes Man

Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:50 pm

The silence lol no one can say how he is a yes man

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:56 am

wez1927 wrote:The silence lol no one can say how he is a yes man



Silence of opinions...

No one can prove he is, no one can prove he isn't.
Opinions are an individual's own perspective of the matter at hand.

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:45 am

AJ1927 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:The silence lol no one can say how he is a yes man



Silence of opinions...

No one can prove he is, no one can prove he isn't.
Opinions are an individual's own perspective of the matter at hand.



doesnt make it an opinion, it makes it an unfounded accusation

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:51 am

AJ1927 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:The silence lol no one can say how he is a yes man



Silence of opinions...

No one can prove he is, no one can prove he isn't.
Opinions are an individual's own perspective of the matter at hand.

If you say he s a yes man then surly you need to say why ?

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:55 am

wez1927 wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:The silence lol no one can say how he is a yes man



Silence of opinions...

No one can prove he is, no one can prove he isn't.
Opinions are an individual's own perspective of the matter at hand.

If you say he s a yes man then surly you need to say why ?

He can't! Like Paul said its not an opinion, he's just made an accusation because some on here have said so without any proof what so ever.

His face didn't fit when he first arrived so certain people had agendas had made up a story without being able to back it up.

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:13 am

First clue to Slade being a yes man was when he first arrived. The players he could work with was already singled out for him.
He didn't even have a look at them before pushing them out in the cold. Some are stupid enough to think they where the highest earners, but nothing from their past, present or future will suggest they where. A manager who cant assemble his own squad!? That is not a yes man? Having taken a look at Burgstaller, Berget and Guerra who i didnt know very well, the club fucked up big time letting them go for free. Between them they have scored 19 goals so far this season making 8 assist. Only Guerra play striker, the others play on the wing and midfield. Both Burgstaller and Berget have gotten a reputation for pace, very hard working and their reputation have risen big time since l they left. Not to mention their value. No doubt Malmo is a better team than Cardiff and Nurnberg is about the same. Both being key players for their team. Guerra i think most know is preforming on a different level. He has been a model professional all his career. Never made complaint. But suddenly he is a disruptive force at Cardiff? :lol:
There have been players confirming that Slade had nothing to say on who stayed and who left, its not speculation.
If a manager cant decide witch players to use, he is the very definition of a yes man! If money was the only object, Turner, Gunnarsson, Whittingham and Noone wouldnt bee here. Simples :D

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:03 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:First clue to Slade being a yes man was when he first arrived. The players he could work with was already singled out for him.
He didn't even have a look at them before pushing them out in the cold. Some are stupid enough to think they where the highest earners, but nothing from their past, present or future will suggest they where. A manager who cant assemble his own squad!? That is not a yes man? Having taken a look at Burgstaller, Berget and Guerra who i didnt know very well, the club fucked up big time letting them go for free. Between them they have scored 19 goals so far this season making 8 assist. Only Guerra play striker, the others play on the wing and midfield. Both Burgstaller and Berget have gotten a reputation for pace, very hard working and their reputation have risen big time since l they left. Not to mention their value. No doubt Malmo is a better team than Cardiff and Nurnberg is about the same. Both being key players for their team. Guerra i think most know is preforming on a different level. He has been a model professional all his career. Never made complaint. But suddenly he is a disruptive force at Cardiff? :lol:
There have been players confirming that Slade had nothing to say on who stayed and who left, its not speculation.
If a manager cant decide witch players to use, he is the very definition of a yes man! If money was the only object, Turner, Gunnarsson, Whittingham and Noone wouldnt bee here. Simples :D
malmo a better team than us ,I don't think so ,coz they beat Celtic ? A team I think we would smash

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:05 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:First clue to Slade being a yes man was when he first arrived. The players he could work with was already singled out for him.
He didn't even have a look at them before pushing them out in the cold. Some are stupid enough to think they where the highest earners, but nothing from their past, present or future will suggest they where. A manager who cant assemble his own squad!? That is not a yes man? Having taken a look at Burgstaller, Berget and Guerra who i didnt know very well, the club fucked up big time letting them go for free. Between them they have scored 19 goals so far this season making 8 assist. Only Guerra play striker, the others play on the wing and midfield. Both Burgstaller and Berget have gotten a reputation for pace, very hard working and their reputation have risen big time since l they left. Not to mention their value. No doubt Malmo is a better team than Cardiff and Nurnberg is about the same. Both being key players for their team. Guerra i think most know is preforming on a different level. He has been a model professional all his career. Never made complaint. But suddenly he is a disruptive force at Cardiff? :lol:
There have been players confirming that Slade had nothing to say on who stayed and who left, its not speculation.
If a manager cant decide witch players to use, he is the very definition of a yes man! If money was the only object, Turner, Gunnarsson, Whittingham and Noone wouldnt bee here. Simples :D



Those players would have been out the door whoever came in. Thats not the same thing. I wouldnt be surprised if it came up in interviews

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:08 pm

Wez, i dont know if you have watched them. I have watched them about 10 games. They have a new squad, and need time to gel. 10 new players. When they play their game they are a much better team. Bigger club both financially and support.
You need to get out of the championship more ;)

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:17 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Wez, i dont know if you have watched them. I have watched them about 10 games. They have a new squad, and need time to gel. 10 new players. When they play their game they are a much better team. Bigger club both financially and support.
You need to get out of the championship more ;)

Are trying to say that the league that malmo play in is better than the championship ?

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:23 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Wez, i dont know if you have watched them. I have watched them about 10 games. They have a new squad, and need time to gel. 10 new players. When they play their game they are a much better team. Bigger club both financially and support.
You need to get out of the championship more ;)

Are trying to say that the league that malmo play in is better than the championship ?

No i am not. Ive said for a while that the top clubs in European leagues are much better than you think. If you watched them you would know, and i think results in both Champions league and Euro cup proves that mate. A club is as good as the football they play, not how good their league is... I would say the Swedish league have 5 or 6 good teams. And they are very physical!
Not shy of championship one bit :thumbup:

Re: Yes Man

Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:23 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Having taken a look at Burgstaller, Berget and Guerra

Three players that weren't getting game time under Ole were trimmed from an over bloated squad so that makes Slade a yes man?

By your own logic if players were selected for Slade to work with, why wasn't Guerra and Velikonja, two players it is widely claimed were signed by Tan, forced upon him?

Burgstaller is a good player but would he get the nod over Ralls, Whitts or Pilkington? Possibly but not definitely.

Berget was already on loan. Again doing well this season but no better than Jones or Mason and with Ameobi and Revel as back up (plus recall options for Doyle and even Healy) no way was Berget, who did nothing on loan at Celtic, going to be anything more than a squad player upfront for us.

Admittedly he can also play on the wing but would he get into the side ahead of Noone or Pilkington who are competing for one out and out winger position in Slade's favoured lopsided 442 set up. Again a squad player for us at best.

As for Guerra, he couldn't get a start under Ole got and got hauled off by Young before half-time in his only start (again possibly unfairly).

However what is clear, is that before Slade got here there were problems with Guerra.

The squad Slade inherited was widely perceived by many as being too big and these players you refer too for whatever reason, were on the peripherary of the squad so were always candidates for being moved on.

Using the sales of these three players as evidence of Slade being a yes man just doesn't make sense