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General Election 2015

Postby Jimmy Scoular » Tue May 05, 2015 11:49 am

Thursday is looming here is a refreshing viewpoint from our Australian cousins regarding politicians.Have a butchers at this cattle truck !!!
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Zabier » Tue May 05, 2015 12:18 pm

I'm interested in turning this discussion around. We've had threads where we've all said who we are voting but who do you think will win?

Personally, I think it's either going to be a Tory and UKIP coalition (God forbid) or a Labour and Liberal Democrat coalition. That said, I wouldn't put it past Clegg getting into bed with Cameron again!
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Sneggyblubird » Tue May 05, 2015 12:23 pm

Zabier wrote:I'm interested in turning this discussion around. We've had threads where we've all said who we are voting but who do you think will win?

Personally, I think it's either going to be a Tory and UKIP coalition (God forbid) or a Labour and Liberal Democrat coalition. That said, I wouldn't put it past Clegg getting into bed with Cameron again!




Despite all thats been said up to now I still think the lib-dems will get into bed with labour and that UKIP will only win a couple of seats if their lucky.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Ninian Knight » Tue May 05, 2015 1:06 pm

Zabier wrote:I'm interested in turning this discussion around. We've had threads where we've all said who we are voting but who do you think will win?


Personally, I think it's either going to be a Tory and UKIP coalition (God forbid) or a Labour and Liberal Democrat coalition. That said, I wouldn't put it past Clegg getting into bed with Cameron again!


Could come down to how well (or badly) Labour do in Scotland. If the Labour vote holds up just little more than the polls predict they will become the biggest party but without a majority.

I think Ed Miliband will then form a minority Government and rely on different parties voting with them on issue by issue bases.

If you think about it the SNP will back them on issues like NHS funding/bedroom tax and general left-wing policies, while the Tories would have to back Labour on Trident, when the SNP wouldn't.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Depressed Blue » Tue May 05, 2015 1:14 pm

The Tories will get the most seats.

Labour will form a government on confidence and supply with the SNP. Maybe throw in a few of the minorities as well.

Cue absolute chaos. Luckily I'm out of the country from the 13th.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Zabier » Tue May 05, 2015 1:14 pm

Yeah, I don't think Labour will form a coalition with the SNP. Despite Sturgeon doing well on the PR front, the party's stance hasn't changed since the Salmond reign. They will be too much of a ball ache for Labour. It's a shame for the SNP. I think if they were a bit more flexible then they could have much more influence. They are their own worst enemy.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby balkanblue » Tue May 05, 2015 1:51 pm

Hopefully a Tory/UKIP/DUP minority government.

The worst thing for the country would be Labour getting into power. They will borrow even more and rack up the debt as they always do. Lets not undo the work of the coalition now in getting the economy going. Anyone who thinks Labour are the best option are economically illiterate and are a threat to national security, quite frankly. Last time, thanks to the idiocy of Labour (most notably Brown) and the crisis in 2008, there was no money left. As a country trillions of £'s in debt you'd think that they'd learn from their mistakes and get their houses in order. Also, Labour has royally screwed over Wales for years. We now have an education system lagging behind, child poverty rates are some of the highest in Europe and drug epidemics in places like Swansea. Unfortunately, a lot of you need to get real and realise we had our cake and ate it for years and now we need to make cuts because nothing good ever comes unless you make sacrifices.

Sadly, what will happen, is the spoilt brats and entitled generation that has had everything put on a plate for them in the UK whether its welfare or any other hand that feeds will vote back in Labour and the Tories because they are too irresponsible when it comes to their own fiscal management. I continuously hear that the Tories will make cuts to the NHS but cuts to the NHS are better than a non existent NHS due to no funding being available thanks to Labour's ridiculous policy of overspending. They simply cannot be trusted with money. I really don't fathom how mentally deficient Labour voters are and I can only assume the reason they vote this way is due to brainwashing from parents due to Thatcherism and lack of economic understanding. A strong and free economy frees the person. Socialism is the philosophy of failure and just makes everyone poor which is exactly why Mr Castro, our little socialist Cuban friend who likes to bleat on about the ills of capitalism, is now recapitalising Cuba through foreign investment schemes.

In the words of Peter Hitchens, the UK is in moral decline and its all due to a culture of entitlement and people no longer wanting to work hard or make sacrifices to get something. Far too many people want something for nothing, expect something handed to them on a plate and due to an inflated public sector, most notably because of the inflated welfare budget, the economy has an uphill struggle to cope with the financial demands every year to make a surplus so that we don't have to keep borrowing. The UK will end up losing the NHS to privatisation naturally because no party will say 'we need to privatise the NHS' because its a sure fire way to lose the election. No party will say 'lets cut welfare and child tax credits' because its a surefire way to lose the election. They'll just let it continue on and as the debt increases so does the amount levied on the head of each individual taxpayer. That is a fact, it is a cost that is recouped via taxation, which is set to increase under a Labour government, and fines by the exchequer.

We spend far too much on benefits and welfare as it is, far too much on debt interest, far too much on middle management in numerous sectors and have far too many quangos in overpaid positions just to get people 'into work' in the service sector because our manufacturing capabilities and skills on the ground have gone to shot (thats what happens when you build your countries economy around the service sector), we waste too much on certain departments that in fact do very little for us (Climate Change for example - we have a department, other countries don't - yet they've met their 2020 renewable energy targets before us by some distance - you couldn't make it up how poorly managed the UK is) and on top of that, we continuously convince ourselves that it's a good idea to invest more in vanity projects like HS2 with money borrowed by foreign investors, of whom, according to the GMO, already account for 35% of outstanding liabilities.

The same cycle in Britain continues over and over in a two party system of Labour and the Conservatives. It is just far easier to leave and move to a country that doesn't have as much debt per capita and therefore doesn't tax you to death to try and pay for the mistakes its made through inept governance. The only thing I owe the UK is a student loan and I can repay that from abroad. I owe it nothing else at all.

Also, I routinely check the other board as there is often more politics talk on there and there's only 2 posters on there with any economic nous at all, Croesy and Feedback I think the other one is (may even be the same person) and the rest of them just reenforce the point of this country being full of people not knowing how to manage money or not wanting to earn a living. The country is riddled with socialists and champagne socialists who funnily enough, have never truly in real life seen the effects of socialism or communism (left wing politics) in front of them. I have. I've seen old buildings from the Republic of Bulgaria. I've been told of how it was under such rule by people who've experienced it. I've seen new modernised buildings since Bulgaria's liberation not that long ago next to old communist bloc buildings that are a bitter memory of what used to be. If you think socialism is great and the answer to the problems then you can always move to a socialist country, after all. I'm sure you'll appreciate how equally poor you all are but at least you'll be equal so I guess thats a win for morality, at least.

Be careful what you wish for because there seems to be a strong support for socialism both here in the UK and America but these people have never experienced it in its truest form and if you had or saw the effects of socialist policies you'd wake up to the reality of the fact that capitalism is the best way to free the man.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Jord1927 » Tue May 05, 2015 2:24 pm

blueminati wrote:Hopefully a Tory/UKIP/DUP minority government.

The worst thing for the country would be Labour getting into power. They will borrow even more and rack up the debt as they always do. Lets not undo the work of the coalition now in getting the economy going. Anyone who thinks Labour are the best option are economically illiterate and are a threat to national security, quite frankly. Last time, thanks to the idiocy of Labour (most notably Brown) and the crisis in 2008, there was no money left. As a country trillions of £'s in debt you'd think that they'd learn from their mistakes and get their houses in order. Also, Labour has royally screwed over Wales for years. We now have an education system lagging behind, child poverty rates are some of the highest in Europe and drug epidemics in places like Swansea. Unfortunately, a lot of you need to get real and realise we had our cake and ate it for years and now we need to make cuts because nothing good ever comes unless you make sacrifices.

Sadly, what will happen, is the spoilt brats and entitled generation that has had everything put on a plate for them in the UK whether its welfare or any other hand that feeds will vote back in Labour and the Tories because they are too irresponsible when it comes to their own fiscal management. I continuously hear that the Tories will make cuts to the NHS but cuts to the NHS are better than a non existent NHS due to no funding being available thanks to Labour's ridiculous policy of overspending. They simply cannot be trusted with money. I really don't fathom how mentally deficient Labour voters are and I can only assume the reason they vote this way is due to brainwashing from parents due to Thatcherism and lack of economic understanding. A strong and free economy frees the person. Socialism is the philosophy of failure and just makes everyone poor which is exactly why Mr Castro, our little socialist Cuban friend who likes to bleat on about the ills of capitalism, is now recapitalising Cuba through foreign investment schemes.

In the words of Peter Hitchens, the UK is in moral decline and its all due to a culture of entitlement and people no longer wanting to work hard or make sacrifices to get something. Far too many people want something for nothing, expect something handed to them on a plate and due to an inflated public sector, most notably because of the inflated welfare budget, the economy has an uphill struggle to cope with the financial demands every year to make a surplus so that we don't have to keep borrowing. The UK will end up losing the NHS to privatisation naturally because no party will say 'we need to privatise the NHS' because its a sure fire way to lose the election. No party will say 'lets cut welfare and child tax credits' because its a surefire way to lose the election. They'll just let it continue on and as the debt increases so does the amount levied on the head of each individual taxpayer. That is a fact, it is a cost that is recouped via taxation, which is set to increase under a Labour government, and fines by the exchequer.

We spend far too much on benefits and welfare as it is, far too much on debt interest, far too much on middle management in numerous sectors and have far too many quangos in overpaid positions just to get people 'into work' in the service sector because our manufacturing capabilities and skills on the ground have gone to shot (thats what happens when you build your countries economy around the service sector), we waste too much on certain departments that in fact do very little for us (Climate Change for example - we have a department, other countries don't - yet they've met their 2020 renewable energy targets before us by some distance - you couldn't make it up how poorly managed the UK is) and on top of that, we continuously convince ourselves that it's a good idea to invest more in vanity projects like HS2 with money borrowed by foreign investors, of whom, according to the GMO, already account for 35% of outstanding liabilities.

The same cycle in Britain continues over and over in a two party system of Labour and the Conservatives. It is just far easier to leave and move to a country that doesn't have as much debt per capita and therefore doesn't tax you to death to try and pay for the mistakes its made through inept governance. The only thing I owe the UK is a student loan and I can repay that from abroad. I owe it nothing else at all.

Also, I routinely check the other board as there is often more politics talk on there and there's only 2 posters on there with any economic nous at all, Croesy and Feedback I think the other one is (may even be the same person) and the rest of them just reenforce the point of this country being full of people not knowing how to manage money or not wanting to earn a living. The country is riddled with socialists and champagne socialists who funnily enough, have never truly in real life seen the effects of socialism or communism (left wing politics) in front of them. I have. I've seen old buildings from the Republic of Bulgaria. I've been told of how it was under such rule by people who've experienced it. I've seen new modernised buildings since Bulgaria's liberation not that long ago next to old communist bloc buildings that are a bitter memory of what used to be. If you think socialism is great and the answer to the problems then you can always move to a socialist country, after all. I'm sure you'll appreciate how equally poor you all are but at least you'll be equal so I guess thats a win for morality, at least.

Be careful what you wish for because there seems to be a strong support for socialism both here in the UK and America but these people have never experienced it in its truest form and if you had or saw the effects of socialist policies you'd wake up to the reality of the fact that capitalism is the best way to free the man.

you were telling everyone to vote plaid who are more left wing than labour and insulting ukip/con now the opposite so how did your political views swing so drastically in a month?
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby balkanblue » Tue May 05, 2015 2:36 pm

Jord1927 wrote: you were telling everyone to vote plaid who are more left wing than labour and insulting ukip/con now the opposite so how did your political views swing so drastically in a month?

To get debate going. Ever heard of devils advocate?

I've postal voted for UKIP already. If you want to know of my true outlook on politics then just look at Farage, Murray and Hitchens. They're the only ones talking sense really.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Depressed Blue » Tue May 05, 2015 2:36 pm

Move to Greece, or maybe Spain, or maybe France.

Or any other failed EU attempt.

We are taxed heavily to sustain our life style, which is one of the best on this planet.

I would also like to know what has brought on this change of heart. Continuing to throw about insult such as "economically illiterate" when a few weeks ago you were endorsing one of the most free spending parties available.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby balkanblue » Tue May 05, 2015 2:37 pm

Depressed Blue wrote:Move to Greece, or maybe Spain, or maybe France.

Or any other failed EU attempt.

We are taxed heavily to sustain our life style, which is one of the best on this planet.

I would also like to know what has brought on this change of heart. Continuing to throw about insult such as "economically illiterate" when a few weeks ago you were endorsing one of the most free spending parties available.


France had high taxation. Please tell me how that went.....................
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Depressed Blue » Tue May 05, 2015 2:38 pm

Having said that, it would seem that you have seen the light :thumbright:
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby balkanblue » Tue May 05, 2015 2:38 pm

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Re: General Election 2015

Postby balkanblue » Tue May 05, 2015 2:39 pm

We are taxed heavily to pay off the debt and to fund the inflated public sector.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Depressed Blue » Tue May 05, 2015 2:46 pm

Plaid?.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Depressed Blue » Tue May 05, 2015 2:55 pm

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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Sneggyblubird » Tue May 05, 2015 3:27 pm

blueminati wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2313775/Frances-meltdown-stark-warning-wants-Red-Ed-Miliband-PM.html

The truth.




I read the paragraphs of bilge above but putting the Daily Mail on the same page as "The truth" is going too far :lol: ,besides if all the greedy big company's paid a living wage there would be no need for any government topups thus cutting the debt at a stroke. Historically the Labour Party was born out of the inhumanity, callous and criminal treatment of working class people by the Tories.Not than I'd give Labour any more credit today.I personally think that hung parliaments and coalitions will do the country good in the long term.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Zabier » Tue May 05, 2015 3:32 pm

blueminati wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2313775/Frances-meltdown-stark-warning-wants-Red-Ed-Miliband-PM.html

The truth.


Did you just reference The Daily Mail? I respect you will have a set of views but might be best to avoid quoting any tabloids that are blatantly biased to the level of their print being propaganda on a level that Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby piledriver64 » Tue May 05, 2015 4:38 pm

blueminati wrote:
Jord1927 wrote: you were telling everyone to vote plaid who are more left wing than labour and insulting ukip/con now the opposite so how did your political views swing so drastically in a month?

To get debate going. Ever heard of devils advocate?

I've postal voted for UKIP already. If you want to know of my true outlook on politics then just look at Farage, Murray and Hitchens. They're the only ones talking sense really.


I presume this is a wind up ?

Are you seriously saying Farage, a banker, I more trustworthy than Milliband.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Jimmy Scoular » Tue May 05, 2015 4:46 pm

When I hear the term truth and The Daily Mail tied together I go all wobbly.It is strange the closest we ever came to self destruct was not the union excesses of the 70's rather it was the unrestricted pirate like "Uber Capitalism" released post Thatcher.We were three hours from the cashpoints closing in 2008! This was not caused by Arthur Scargill or benefit scroungers, a Daily Mail pet hate,rather it was caused by the bankers.Let me state I do not belong to any party rather I like observing the simplistic notion of easy fixes left or right.Such answers are either ill thought through or driven by an ideological bent which in itself will not achieve anything.Perhaps bluemanti you would rather see a nation awash with zero hour contracts, where people are exploited, not all, but a very large majority.No rights no recourse to fair and dignified treatment.We are a country where over a million people use food banks daily....it is a disgrace.The vast majority of such people are not heroin addicts, alcoholics et al, rather they are working families who cannot get full time employment. Now if you want to go down the "scrounger"trail, why not start with the Civil List and start stopping tax payers money being squandered on the Royal Family. Instead of "Skint" on television we could extend the schadenfreude to the royals and have an equally vacuous offering called "Royally Screwed".
I will say one think about this election if David Cameron cannot beat Ed Milliband what does that say about him????

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Re: General Election 2015

Postby balkanblue » Tue May 05, 2015 5:13 pm

You can lambast the DM all you like. They're all biased, even the BBC. I can put forward sources from elsewhere to back up the same story.

Farage was a metals trader who worked in the city.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Jimmy Scoular » Tue May 05, 2015 6:06 pm

Please do not think I am having a personal pop, rather a generic sweep across the body politic of the UK. All parties will have to walk the walk on Friday.The beauty ,I suppose, is the almost monty pythonesque scenario where Labour will have to do a deal with the SNP, Alex Salmond could very well be Deputy PM.The SNP Leader will not be a Westminster MP yet she will exert significant influence over her party; I can hear the plates smashing at breakfast tables in middle England as we speak.Alternatively we could have a mish mash of Labour/Li.Dems/Green/Plaid ???????? As you mention the BBC do you watch W1A? Quite brilliant, at least they can take the piss out of themselves I suppose
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby worcester_ccfc » Tue May 05, 2015 6:17 pm

I think we'll have a Labour minority.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Matt D » Tue May 05, 2015 8:11 pm

https://youtu.be/sIlNIVXpIns

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Re: General Election 2015

Postby balkanblue » Tue May 05, 2015 8:45 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:I think we'll have a Labour minority.

Sadly, I think we'll have Labour/Lib Dem/Green.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Depressed Blue » Tue May 05, 2015 9:07 pm

Plaid?.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby balkanblue » Tue May 05, 2015 11:12 pm

Depressed Blue wrote:Plaid?.

What about them? I've already answered this question further up in the thread if that's what you're asking. I postal voted for UKIP ages ago.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Cwmann_Bluebird » Tue May 05, 2015 11:20 pm

No idea what'll happen. It's my first time voting in a general election (voted in the European elections last year), so I'm looking forward to seeing what will transpire.

But if I had to guess, a Labour minority government. The talk is that they're trying to get the Lib Dems onside so that they don't have to rely on the SNP to pass stuff.
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Re: General Election 2015

Postby Depressed Blue » Wed May 06, 2015 8:13 am

You know exactly what I want to know.

After all the bullshit you spouted, calling everyone on her delinquents for not following Plaid you've done a complete U turn.
Completely changed your political beliefs within a month of the election.

Or did you think I'd forget.
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