Zabier wrote:I'm interested in turning this discussion around. We've had threads where we've all said who we are voting but who do you think will win?
Personally, I think it's either going to be a Tory and UKIP coalition (God forbid) or a Labour and Liberal Democrat coalition. That said, I wouldn't put it past Clegg getting into bed with Cameron again!
Zabier wrote:I'm interested in turning this discussion around. We've had threads where we've all said who we are voting but who do you think will win?
Personally, I think it's either going to be a Tory and UKIP coalition (God forbid) or a Labour and Liberal Democrat coalition. That said, I wouldn't put it past Clegg getting into bed with Cameron again!
blueminati wrote:Hopefully a Tory/UKIP/DUP minority government.
The worst thing for the country would be Labour getting into power. They will borrow even more and rack up the debt as they always do. Lets not undo the work of the coalition now in getting the economy going. Anyone who thinks Labour are the best option are economically illiterate and are a threat to national security, quite frankly. Last time, thanks to the idiocy of Labour (most notably Brown) and the crisis in 2008, there was no money left. As a country trillions of £'s in debt you'd think that they'd learn from their mistakes and get their houses in order. Also, Labour has royally screwed over Wales for years. We now have an education system lagging behind, child poverty rates are some of the highest in Europe and drug epidemics in places like Swansea. Unfortunately, a lot of you need to get real and realise we had our cake and ate it for years and now we need to make cuts because nothing good ever comes unless you make sacrifices.
Sadly, what will happen, is the spoilt brats and entitled generation that has had everything put on a plate for them in the UK whether its welfare or any other hand that feeds will vote back in Labour and the Tories because they are too irresponsible when it comes to their own fiscal management. I continuously hear that the Tories will make cuts to the NHS but cuts to the NHS are better than a non existent NHS due to no funding being available thanks to Labour's ridiculous policy of overspending. They simply cannot be trusted with money. I really don't fathom how mentally deficient Labour voters are and I can only assume the reason they vote this way is due to brainwashing from parents due to Thatcherism and lack of economic understanding. A strong and free economy frees the person. Socialism is the philosophy of failure and just makes everyone poor which is exactly why Mr Castro, our little socialist Cuban friend who likes to bleat on about the ills of capitalism, is now recapitalising Cuba through foreign investment schemes.
In the words of Peter Hitchens, the UK is in moral decline and its all due to a culture of entitlement and people no longer wanting to work hard or make sacrifices to get something. Far too many people want something for nothing, expect something handed to them on a plate and due to an inflated public sector, most notably because of the inflated welfare budget, the economy has an uphill struggle to cope with the financial demands every year to make a surplus so that we don't have to keep borrowing. The UK will end up losing the NHS to privatisation naturally because no party will say 'we need to privatise the NHS' because its a sure fire way to lose the election. No party will say 'lets cut welfare and child tax credits' because its a surefire way to lose the election. They'll just let it continue on and as the debt increases so does the amount levied on the head of each individual taxpayer. That is a fact, it is a cost that is recouped via taxation, which is set to increase under a Labour government, and fines by the exchequer.
We spend far too much on benefits and welfare as it is, far too much on debt interest, far too much on middle management in numerous sectors and have far too many quangos in overpaid positions just to get people 'into work' in the service sector because our manufacturing capabilities and skills on the ground have gone to shot (thats what happens when you build your countries economy around the service sector), we waste too much on certain departments that in fact do very little for us (Climate Change for example - we have a department, other countries don't - yet they've met their 2020 renewable energy targets before us by some distance - you couldn't make it up how poorly managed the UK is) and on top of that, we continuously convince ourselves that it's a good idea to invest more in vanity projects like HS2 with money borrowed by foreign investors, of whom, according to the GMO, already account for 35% of outstanding liabilities.
The same cycle in Britain continues over and over in a two party system of Labour and the Conservatives. It is just far easier to leave and move to a country that doesn't have as much debt per capita and therefore doesn't tax you to death to try and pay for the mistakes its made through inept governance. The only thing I owe the UK is a student loan and I can repay that from abroad. I owe it nothing else at all.
Also, I routinely check the other board as there is often more politics talk on there and there's only 2 posters on there with any economic nous at all, Croesy and Feedback I think the other one is (may even be the same person) and the rest of them just reenforce the point of this country being full of people not knowing how to manage money or not wanting to earn a living. The country is riddled with socialists and champagne socialists who funnily enough, have never truly in real life seen the effects of socialism or communism (left wing politics) in front of them. I have. I've seen old buildings from the Republic of Bulgaria. I've been told of how it was under such rule by people who've experienced it. I've seen new modernised buildings since Bulgaria's liberation not that long ago next to old communist bloc buildings that are a bitter memory of what used to be. If you think socialism is great and the answer to the problems then you can always move to a socialist country, after all. I'm sure you'll appreciate how equally poor you all are but at least you'll be equal so I guess thats a win for morality, at least.
Be careful what you wish for because there seems to be a strong support for socialism both here in the UK and America but these people have never experienced it in its truest form and if you had or saw the effects of socialist policies you'd wake up to the reality of the fact that capitalism is the best way to free the man.
Jord1927 wrote: you were telling everyone to vote plaid who are more left wing than labour and insulting ukip/con now the opposite so how did your political views swing so drastically in a month?
Depressed Blue wrote:Move to Greece, or maybe Spain, or maybe France.
Or any other failed EU attempt.
We are taxed heavily to sustain our life style, which is one of the best on this planet.
I would also like to know what has brought on this change of heart. Continuing to throw about insult such as "economically illiterate" when a few weeks ago you were endorsing one of the most free spending parties available.
blueminati wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2313775/Frances-meltdown-stark-warning-wants-Red-Ed-Miliband-PM.html
The truth.
blueminati wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2313775/Frances-meltdown-stark-warning-wants-Red-Ed-Miliband-PM.html
The truth.
blueminati wrote:Jord1927 wrote: you were telling everyone to vote plaid who are more left wing than labour and insulting ukip/con now the opposite so how did your political views swing so drastically in a month?
To get debate going. Ever heard of devils advocate?
I've postal voted for UKIP already. If you want to know of my true outlook on politics then just look at Farage, Murray and Hitchens. They're the only ones talking sense really.
worcester_ccfc wrote:I think we'll have a Labour minority.
Depressed Blue wrote:Plaid?.
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