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Re: General Election 2015

Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:01 pm

Jimmy Scoular wrote:So for all you UKIP haters what about:
Labour's complete failure to generate sustainable jobs
The abandonment of the young, the proliferation of NEETS and those university educated
The failure to create apprenticeships of value not six month cheap labour stints for exploitative employers
The corruption within Welsh Labour "jobs for the boyos"...who you know not what you know
The same inept useless faces being bounced around in WAG can you think of one single charismatic politician in Wales?
To cap it all where I live 106 Labour Party members decided to appoint Stephen Kinnock as Parliamentary candidate for Aberavon
a guy who lives in Denmark !!!!!! I confronted him on this and he became visibly agitated

As for the rest well the Tories are what they are they will help the better off, PC well they are a complete joke, Lib Dems fluffy wankers who shored up Cameron and abandoned all their principles.That leaves The Greens or UKIP ?One thing is certain we are a small Island with finite resources and CANNOT sustain the levels of migration which Cameron failed to control so miserably.Also the Muslim Trojan horse is a deep concern especially for our children and grandchildren.
Nigel mine's a Strongbow !! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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The man is insane. He's so backwards, wants to re introduce smoking in public places and not allow same sex marriage, and he is racist. Some of what he says is true and I agree with but fundamentally most of the policies are wrong, and he will privatise parts of the NHS.
Agree about immigration though.
I'm still undecided but won't be voting UKIP or conservatives for that matter.

Re: General Election 2015

Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:38 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:Quite frightening how many here are intending to vote UKIP.

How on earth would they be beneficial to Wales?! They don't care for Wales.


Who cares for the English as well. If the SNP and Labour form a collation then the only country that will prosper is the Scottish. The SNP want £180 billion spent on Scotland alone and the Labour party will have to borrow that. If the SNP get their way then no Scottish person would pay tax or NI contributions all together.

Re: General Election 2015

Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:42 pm

Depressed Blue wrote:Parliament has been dissolved and the election campaigns begin.

All MPs are now common muck like you or me. For a month and a bit.


They all love us now as their jobs are on the line but after May the 7th then we're all nothing but bottom feeders again.

Re: General Election 2015

Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:49 pm

nubbsy wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:I'm not up to speed on the unemployment figures, but surely there are enough people already in this once great country of ours to do the work that's out there. As for the public services, I think the councils will be cutting back on the numbers of staff they employ, due to their budget cut backs.


the jobs that you say British people could do, they aren't willing to do. Why earn minimum wage in a factory when you can claim for everything under the sun and sit on your arse. The shit jobs are done by immigrants because they want to work and don't mind what they do


You want to take those blinkers off and wake up and smell the coffee instead of reading and watching the left wing propaganda machine that is investing the minds of the citizens of the UK.

Re: General Election 2015

Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:28 pm

Jimmy Scoular wrote:So for all you UKIP haters what about:
Labour's complete failure to generate sustainable jobs
The abandonment of the young, the proliferation of NEETS and those university educated
The failure to create apprenticeships of value not six month cheap labour stints for exploitative employers
The corruption within Welsh Labour "jobs for the boyos"...who you know not what you know
The same inept useless faces being bounced around in WAG can you think of one single charismatic politician in Wales?
To cap it all where I live 106 Labour Party members decided to appoint Stephen Kinnock as Parliamentary candidate for Aberavon
a guy who lives in Denmark !!!!!! I confronted him on this and he became visibly agitated

As for the rest well the Tories are what they are they will help the better off, PC well they are a complete joke, Lib Dems fluffy wankers who shored up Cameron and abandoned all their principles.That leaves The Greens or UKIP ?One thing is certain we are a small Island with finite resources and CANNOT sustain the levels of migration which Cameron failed to control so miserably.Also the Muslim Trojan horse is a deep concern especially for our children and grandchildren.
Nigel mine's a Strongbow !! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

l


And you actually believe that UKIP will do any better?
They are just as bad when it comes to being "the same as the others".
Despite the fact the Farage presents himself as a challenger to the political elite, he is as much a part of it as everyone else (being paid to be an MEP and claiming expenses relating to that but not even bothering to turn up etc etc).

Re: General Election 2015

Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:02 pm

Switched off after 13 minutes as that was cringe worthy to say the least.

Re: General Election 2015

Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:53 pm

Labour still want to copy France and raise taxes and public spending, yet France has been described as a 'basket case' because of the high unemployment and slower growth that these policies have brought. Furthermore, they will join with the SNP which will be a disaster for the UK.
The Lib Dems have been so poor that their leader may not get in as an MP according to recent polls.
Plaid wants Westminster to stop governing us, yet is happy to be governed by the Germans and French via the EU. They are a bunch of hypocrites who just want more political career jobs.
The Greens would not make it illegal to join terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. Perhaps they long for a return to the Dark Ages with Sharia Law so that energy consumption e.t.c. would be reduced.
The Tories have done a reasonable job with the economy, but are reluctant to leave the EU which is causing a lot of our problems; don't want a return to Grammar schools and are not committed enough on defence. The only party that will take us out of the EU, build new Grammar Schools and increase defence spending by 40% is UKIP. These are sensible policies as the countries with consistently the highest standard of living in Europe over the last few decades are Norway and Switzerland, both outside the EU (but still trade with the EU);the country which has been at the top of the education tables is Singapore which still has a system based upon our old Grammar School system, and finally, with the sabre rattling of Putin and the threat of terrorism the armed forces need to be strengthened, not left with carriers without aircraft.

Re: General Election 2015

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:10 am

popeye21 wrote:Labour still want to copy France and raise taxes and public spending, yet France has been described as a 'basket case' because of the high unemployment and slower growth that these policies have brought. Furthermore, they will join with the SNP which will be a disaster for the UK.
The Lib Dems have been so poor that their leader may not get in as an MP according to recent polls.
Plaid wants Westminster to stop governing us, yet is happy to be governed by the Germans and French via the EU. They are a bunch of hypocrites who just want more political career jobs.
The Greens would not make it illegal to join terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. Perhaps they long for a return to the Dark Ages with Sharia Law so that energy consumption e.t.c. would be reduced.
The Tories have done a reasonable job with the economy, but are reluctant to leave the EU which is causing a lot of our problems; don't want a return to Grammar schools and are not committed enough on defence. The only party that will take us out of the EU, build new Grammar Schools and increase defence spending by 40% is UKIP. These are sensible policies as the countries with consistently the highest standard of living in Europe over the last few decades are Norway and Switzerland, both outside the EU (but still trade with the EU);the country which has been at the top of the education tables is Singapore which still has a system based upon our old Grammar School system, and finally, with the sabre rattling of Putin and the threat of terrorism the armed forces need to be strengthened, not left with carriers without aircraft.

Over 12 hours and no counter argument!

Re: General Election 2015

Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:13 pm

popeye21 wrote:
popeye21 wrote:Labour still want to copy France and raise taxes and public spending, yet France has been described as a 'basket case' because of the high unemployment and slower growth that these policies have brought. Furthermore, they will join with the SNP which will be a disaster for the UK.
The Lib Dems have been so poor that their leader may not get in as an MP according to recent polls.
Plaid wants Westminster to stop governing us, yet is happy to be governed by the Germans and French via the EU. They are a bunch of hypocrites who just want more political career jobs.
The Greens would not make it illegal to join terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. Perhaps they long for a return to the Dark Ages with Sharia Law so that energy consumption e.t.c. would be reduced.
The Tories have done a reasonable job with the economy, but are reluctant to leave the EU which is causing a lot of our problems; don't want a return to Grammar schools and are not committed enough on defence. The only party that will take us out of the EU, build new Grammar Schools and increase defence spending by 40% is UKIP. These are sensible policies as the countries with consistently the highest standard of living in Europe over the last few decades are Norway and Switzerland, both outside the EU (but still trade with the EU);the country which has been at the top of the education tables is Singapore which still has a system based upon our old Grammar School system, and finally, with the sabre rattling of Putin and the threat of terrorism the armed forces need to be strengthened, not left with carriers without aircraft.

Over 12 hours and no counter argument!



I have no argument to make, as i agree with you and with 95% of ukip's policies.

Re: General Election 2015

Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:19 pm

UKIP for me.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:40 pm

moggs1306 wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
popeye21 wrote:Labour still want to copy France and raise taxes and public spending, yet France has been described as a 'basket case' because of the high unemployment and slower growth that these policies have brought. Furthermore, they will join with the SNP which will be a disaster for the UK.
The Lib Dems have been so poor that their leader may not get in as an MP according to recent polls.
Plaid wants Westminster to stop governing us, yet is happy to be governed by the Germans and French via the EU. They are a bunch of hypocrites who just want more political career jobs.
The Greens would not make it illegal to join terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. Perhaps they long for a return to the Dark Ages with Sharia Law so that energy consumption e.t.c. would be reduced.
The Tories have done a reasonable job with the economy, but are reluctant to leave the EU which is causing a lot of our problems; don't want a return to Grammar schools and are not committed enough on defence. The only party that will take us out of the EU, build new Grammar Schools and increase defence spending by 40% is UKIP. These are sensible policies as the countries with consistently the highest standard of living in Europe over the last few decades are Norway and Switzerland, both outside the EU (but still trade with the EU);the country which has been at the top of the education tables is Singapore which still has a system based upon our old Grammar School system, and finally, with the sabre rattling of Putin and the threat of terrorism the armed forces need to be strengthened, not left with carriers without aircraft.

Over 12 hours and no counter argument!



I have no argument to make, as i agree with you and with 95% of ukip's policies.

Thank you for agreeing.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:41 pm

popeye21 wrote:
moggs1306 wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
popeye21 wrote:Labour still want to copy France and raise taxes and public spending, yet France has been described as a 'basket case' because of the high unemployment and slower growth that these policies have brought. Furthermore, they will join with the SNP which will be a disaster for the UK.
The Lib Dems have been so poor that their leader may not get in as an MP according to recent polls.
Plaid wants Westminster to stop governing us, yet is happy to be governed by the Germans and French via the EU. They are a bunch of hypocrites who just want more political career jobs.
The Greens would not make it illegal to join terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. Perhaps they long for a return to the Dark Ages with Sharia Law so that energy consumption e.t.c. would be reduced.
The Tories have done a reasonable job with the economy, but are reluctant to leave the EU which is causing a lot of our problems; don't want a return to Grammar schools and are not committed enough on defence. The only party that will take us out of the EU, build new Grammar Schools and increase defence spending by 40% is UKIP. These are sensible policies as the countries with consistently the highest standard of living in Europe over the last few decades are Norway and Switzerland, both outside the EU (but still trade with the EU);the country which has been at the top of the education tables is Singapore which still has a system based upon our old Grammar School system, and finally, with the sabre rattling of Putin and the threat of terrorism the armed forces need to be strengthened, not left with carriers without aircraft.

Over 12 hours and no counter argument!



I have no argument to make, as i agree with you and with 95% of ukip's policies.

Thank you for agreeing.


Disagree with just about everything you say,but hey,at least you appear to have thought about it.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:59 pm

There seem to be quite a few on here who have bought into Farage's rubbish. Have a look below at the facts...

1. Immigrants are increasing NHS waiting times. "Britain is full".

Immigrants make a net contribution to the UK. A recent study by University College London found that since 2000, European immigrants have paid 34% more in taxes than they claim back from the state; non-European immigrants paid 2% more. Over the same period, British people paid 11% less in tax than they claimed back. The study also found that immigrants are 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than people native to the UK, and 3% less likely to live in social housing. Only 0.15% of the NHS budget is lost to 'health tourism'.

Public satisfaction with the NHS was at an all time high in 2011, but increasing austerity measures and the handing over of NHS contracts to private providers has lead to increased waiting times, as public health providers are having to cut back on services. Ukip's manifesto pledges even more budget cuts. They plan to cut two million more public sector jobs (more than the entire NHS workforce) and to get rid of National Insurance, which raises over £100billion a year (more than the entire NHS budget). This is not even taking into account the massive loss to public spending that would result from their wish to introduce a flat 31% tax for people of all incomes over £11,500.

Immigrants are not a strain on the public sector, austerity is. Moreover, if Ukip truly believe that "Britain is full", should the party be urging its members to stop procreating? Same-sex relationships would surely be far more patriotic?

2. Immigrants are to blame for undercutting British workers

Immigrants, believe it or not, are human beings. Not unlike British human beings they love their families and will do whatever it takes to provide a better future for their children. Unfortunately, some employers exploit immigrant labour by illegally paying workers below the minimum wage, as recent immigrants will be more desperate to work, as they do not have the same access to benefits as UK citizens. If there was a strong commitment to the living wage, and serious criminal penalties for employers exploiting workers in this way, there would be no undercutting; and employers would judge job applicants on their merit, rather than their level of desperation and willingness to work for less.

It's also worth remembering that British workers are also leaving the UK to work in the EU, it's not a one-way system. There are currently 1.6 million UK citizens living in other EU countries.

3. The entire population of Romania and Bulgaria could be heading to the UK

Romanians and Bulgarians are also human beings. Just like British humans most have families that they care about; friends they enjoy spending time with; a job in their local communities; a first language they enjoy speaking; a culture they are familiar with; and (unlike British humans) 35°C summers. The majority don't want to leave their country of birth, and for those that do, it is not a decision to be taken lightly. Several factors must be taken into account, including the risk of moving to a foreign country and not being able to get work.

If Ukip believe that people will drop all of their domestic commitments at the first chance of moving to a more affluent country, why are working class Ukip voters not flocking to Germany - where wages and benefits are higher, and unemployment and youth unemployment is much lower?

4. Britain loses money wasting benefits on scroungers cheating the system

With an average of 85 applicants chasing each job vacancy, Jobseekers Allowance is a necessity for people out of work who need to provide for themselves and their family. Whilst it is regularly assumed that the UK's benefits spending overwhelmingly goes to people on the dole, almost half (47%) is actually spent on state pensions, with JSA making up only 3% of the entire benefits bill. Of all the money spent on benefits in the UK, only 0.7% (£1.2billion) is lost to fraud. Yet that amount is eclipsed by the £1.3billion that is unclaimed or underpaid. Therefore, if benefits were only paid to the people who deserve them, the UK would be spending £100million more, annually.

Of course, if it weren't for free movement within the EU, Britain would see a sharp increase in the amount of people living on unemployment benefit. There are currently more unemployed UK citizens in Spain, than all the EU immigrants claiming benefits in the UK combined.

5. EU membership is a burden on the UK.

Less than 0.5% of UK government spending goes on our EU membership. As a result of membership the UK receives 52% of all its trade from the EU, worth more than £400billion a year, which is free from customs duties or tariffs. As EU citizens we have the freedom to travel, live, work, study, and retire anywhere in the union; we have also enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe for two millennia; have set targets for sustainability thanks to EU green targets; and are protected by the European Arrest Warrant, which prevents European criminals evading arrest by entering the UK - and ensures that British criminals fleeing into Europe face justice. The EU is also currently working on closing tax loopholes to increase competition and recoup the billions of pounds lost through tax fraud and avoidance.

6. EU laws are forced on the British people.

The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum. The European Union is a democratic confederation of nations, in which individuals elect MEPs to represent them in The European Parliament. Britain is the third best-represented nation, with 73 MEPs.

To say that European law is 'forced' on the British people is like saying that government policies are 'forced' on the people of Manchester who voted for Labour in 2010. We live in a representative democracy, and whilst that guarantees that everyone gets a vote; it does not mean that everyone is going to be happy with the result. If you don't like a law that the EU has passed, perhaps it would be worth paying more attention to the European elections and voting for the MEPs and Europarties that will fight to represent your interests.

Incidentally, Ukip MEPs Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and Paul Nuttall are among the bottom five lowest attendees at the European Parliament; despite being paid £60,000 a year, and claiming millions of pounds in expenses. A vote for a Ukip MEP is clearly not a vote for British representation in Europe.

7. International aid is unnecessary and needs to be cut completely

0.7% of the UK's gross national income is spent on the promotion of the economic development and welfare of developing countries, a target introduced by a 1970 UN resolution. In a world where over 1 billion people live on less than £1 a day, and the 85 richest people are as wealthy as the poorest 3.5 billion, international aid is far from unnecessary.

Remember: foreigners are humans too. Just because someone happened to be born on a different part of land from you doesn't mean their child's future doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that they don't love their families and want them to live in a situation that's fractionally better than the one they inherited. Moreover, if you don't want poor people flocking to the UK, perhaps spending a tiny percentage of the tax pot on improving conditions in less developed countries would help people have better prospects in their country of birth, so they wouldn't need to leave. Foreign aid also builds good international relations and therefore increases trade with the UK.

0% of UK foreign aid goes to "Bongo Bongo Land".

8. Climate change is a myth

Last year, there were 2258 peer-reviewed scientific journals written by 9136 authors that found that climate was changing and that humans were the main driver. Only one peer-reviewed author last year rejected this conclusion. 99.99% of published climate scientists agreed that humans are responsible for climate change.

If you're still having trouble understanding how human-driven climate change works, click here to see a piece by CBBC Newsround that will help explain it to you. Although Ukip want to ban the teaching of climate change in schools, the reality is that we live in a world with a changing climate, finite fossil fuels, and an ever-expanding population. If we don't act soon on climate change, and work towards a sustainable future, we are condemning future generations to lives of homelessness, toil, hunger and misery.

0% of climate scientists found a causal link between homosexual sex acts and flooding.

9. Ukip is a libertarian party

Libertarianism is the political perspective that individual freedom is the main driver for well-being, prosperity, and social harmony. However, Ukip seems to be at odds with this central premise. Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability. Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn't be allowed to vote. Ukip wanted to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-sex couples to get married. The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

10. Political correctness is stifling free speech

There are certainly no laws restricting speech solely on the grounds of being 'non-PC'. Despite all the stories you've heard about brainstorms and rainbow sheep, political correctness is just a socially constructed guide to etiquette that helps point out when you might be accidentally offending or excluding someone for no good reason. Your inability to tell misogynist jokes down the pub without someone asking you to leave is not political correctness stifling your free speech. You are free to say what you want, but you must also be aware that others are free to challenge you if they feel you are saying something ignorant or incorrect. Please bear this in mind if you're thinking of commenting on this article.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:59 pm

BlueGog I think you should read the Telegraph's article on the matter which shows that the true cost of each immigrant is over £3000 per year. The UCL study tried to hide the crucial figure of £95 billion which immigration has cost in an annexe of their report.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... eport.html.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:50 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Farage wants to take away the 50 million a day we're paying to the European union and use that money on the British people instead.

How much do you think Wales contributes out of that 50 million? Very little. Let me tell you, Wales gets over £2bn every year from the EU for research and investment. Withdrawing from the EU will mean that we will lose that funding as England will hold on to everything they make. Well done, English people will become more prosperous and Welsh and Scots will become poorer as UKIP also want to scrap the Barnett formula which will leave things bad for Scotland too. All of that money will go back into England as Farage is a little Englander who is so far up his own backside and thinks England is better than every other country when in reality its a concrete jungle cesspit.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:52 pm

blueminati wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Farage wants to take away the 50 million a day we're paying to the European union and use that money on the British people instead.

How much do you think Wales contributes out of that 50 million? Very little. Let me tell you, Wales gets over £2bn every year from the EU for research and investment. Withdrawing from the EU will mean that we will lose that funding as England will hold on to everything they make. Well done, English people will become more prosperous and Welsh and Scots will become poorer as UKIP also want to scrap the Barnett formula which will leave things bad for Scotland too. All of that money will go back into England as Farage is a little Englander who is so far up his own backside and thinks England is better than every other country when in reality its a concrete jungle cesspit.

Exactly. No idea why any Welsh person would vote for such a lunatic.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:57 pm

BlueGog Everything you list as a benefit of EU membership is not a benefit as it took place before the EU even existed and we could trade without tariffs if we were no longer a member, as we import more than we export to the EU, so it needs our market more than we need it's market. Furthermore, we would not be hamstrung by all the red tape that comes with EU membership.
The EU laws are forced upon us as we voted to join a trading block and we have never voted to be part of a European State.
We have given over £2b to India which has spent more than that on a space program. More than $60 trillion has been given to Africa in aid (not just from the UK), yet the number of people living on less than $1 per day has doubled in the last 20 years. Most of it ends up in the hands of corrupt politicians.
http://www.globalenvision.org/2009/04/2 ... ing-africa

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:58 pm

Bluebirds-1927 wrote:
Jimmy Scoular wrote:So for all you UKIP haters what about:
Labour's complete failure to generate sustainable jobs
The abandonment of the young, the proliferation of NEETS and those university educated
The failure to create apprenticeships of value not six month cheap labour stints for exploitative employers
The corruption within Welsh Labour "jobs for the boyos"...who you know not what you know
The same inept useless faces being bounced around in WAG can you think of one single charismatic politician in Wales?
To cap it all where I live 106 Labour Party members decided to appoint Stephen Kinnock as Parliamentary candidate for Aberavon
a guy who lives in Denmark !!!!!! I confronted him on this and he became visibly agitated

As for the rest well the Tories are what they are they will help the better off, PC well they are a complete joke, Lib Dems fluffy wankers who shored up Cameron and abandoned all their principles.That leaves The Greens or UKIP ?One thing is certain we are a small Island with finite resources and CANNOT sustain the levels of migration which Cameron failed to control so miserably.Also the Muslim Trojan horse is a deep concern especially for our children and grandchildren.
Nigel mine's a Strongbow !! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

l


The man is insane. He's so backwards, wants to re introduce smoking in public places and not allow same sex marriage, and he is racist. Some of what he says is true and I agree with but fundamentally most of the policies are wrong, and he will privatise parts of the NHS.
Agree about immigration though.
I'm still undecided but won't be voting UKIP or conservatives for that matter.
how is he racist? Have you seen the diverse colours and religion of the ukip members and candidates ? It's not racist to want the best for British born citizen whatever your religious or colour of your skin

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:23 pm

BlueGog Climate change is a myth. When research papers hide or omit facts that do not agree with the findings that they want, the research is flawed. Climate change is not man made which is why the MWP (Medieval Warm Period) data needed to be hidden or discredited by the IPCC. Trading in carbon credits will soon be worth more than $125 trillion. Meaningless bits of paper where the carbon credits for a forest in some distant place could be sold time and again in different countries.
http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/cl ... od-288.php

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:24 pm

popeye21 wrote:BlueGog Climate change is a myth. When research papers hide or omit facts that do not agree with the findings that they want, the research is flawed. Climate change is not man made which is why the MWP (Medieval Warm Period) data needed to be hidden or discredited by the IPCC. Trading in carbon credits will soon be worth more than $125 trillion. Meaningless bits of paper where the carbon credits for a forest in some distant place could be sold time and again in different countries.
http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/cl ... od-288.php

Climate change is a myth? I've heard it all now.

:laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:32 pm

blueminati wrote:
popeye21 wrote:BlueGog Climate change is a myth. When research papers hide or omit facts that do not agree with the findings that they want, the research is flawed. Climate change is not man made which is why the MWP (Medieval Warm Period) data needed to be hidden or discredited by the IPCC. Trading in carbon credits will soon be worth more than $125 trillion. Meaningless bits of paper where the carbon credits for a forest in some distant place could be sold time and again in different countries.
http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/cl ... od-288.php

Climate change is a myth? I've heard it all now.

:laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:

Then why do the IPCC need to hide data? Are you an expert on Energy Management? I have a post grad on the subject and many prominent scientists like the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore and Dr David Bellamy also believe it's a myth.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:42 pm

Global warming just another way of taxing people

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:19 pm

wez1927 wrote:Global warming just another way of taxing people

Spot on, which is exactly why when environmentalists were starting to have doubts, governments started to get interested. The electricity generators in the UK have made over £13b between them since the government legislated on renewable energy.

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:35 pm

popeye21 wrote:Then why do the IPCC need to hide data? Are you an expert on Energy Management? I have a post grad on the subject and many prominent scientists like the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore and Dr David Bellamy also believe it's a myth.

Global warming is happening. They've not hid data at all. The data is synthesised to factor in all results which actually means a more accurate recording is taken overall. The data is there for anyone to see. The tax argument is the best one yet. Are you a member on the David Icke forums by any chance?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:49 pm

blueminati wrote:
popeye21 wrote:Then why do the IPCC need to hide data? Are you an expert on Energy Management? I have a post grad on the subject and many prominent scientists like the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore and Dr David Bellamy also believe it's a myth.

Global warming is happening. They've not hid data at all. The data is synthesised to factor in all results which actually means a more accurate recording is taken overall. The data is there for anyone to see. The tax argument is the best one yet. Are you a member on the David Icke forums by any chance?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Can you explain why the polar ice caps are now increasing ? And a lot of scientist agree that global warming isn't happening

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:07 pm

wez1927 wrote:
blueminati wrote:
popeye21 wrote:Then why do the IPCC need to hide data? Are you an expert on Energy Management? I have a post grad on the subject and many prominent scientists like the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore and Dr David Bellamy also believe it's a myth.

Global warming is happening. They've not hid data at all. The data is synthesised to factor in all results which actually means a more accurate recording is taken overall. The data is there for anyone to see. The tax argument is the best one yet. Are you a member on the David Icke forums by any chance?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Can you explain why the polar ice caps are now increasing ? And a lot of scientist agree that global warming isn't happening

Polar ice caps are now increasing obviously disproves global warming overall doesn't it? Omg you really need to resit your geography GCSE as you are bloody clueless.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

I do hope you're not one of those extremely thick types who thinks that because there's still snow in the world global warming cant be happening.

:laughing5:

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:22 pm

blueminati wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
blueminati wrote:
popeye21 wrote:Then why do the IPCC need to hide data? Are you an expert on Energy Management? I have a post grad on the subject and many prominent scientists like the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore and Dr David Bellamy also believe it's a myth.

Global warming is happening. They've not hid data at all. The data is synthesised to factor in all results which actually means a more accurate recording is taken overall. The data is there for anyone to see. The tax argument is the best one yet. Are you a member on the David Icke forums by any chance?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Can you explain why the polar ice caps are now increasing ? And a lot of scientist agree that global warming isn't happening

Polar ice caps are now increasing obviously disproves global warming overall doesn't it? Omg you really need to resit your geography GCSE as you are bloody clueless.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

I do hope you're not one of those extremely thick types who thinks that because there's still snow in the world global warming cant be happening.

:laughing5:

Your a bit of a pecker head arnt you ,for the last 30 years scienctists and governments have Said they are melting coz of global warming so how come they are now getting bigger in fact the southern ice sheet has grown by a third in the last few years ?

Re: General Election 2015

Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:40 pm

wez1927 wrote:Your a bit of a pecker head arnt you ,for the last 30 years scienctists and governments have Said they are melting coz of global warming so how come they are now getting bigger in fact the southern ice sheet has grown by a third in the last few years ?

Are you stupid or just going out of your way to come across as such? Seriously, read the link I sent you, properly. Temperatures differ around the globe and fluctuate which you'd have seen if you'd looked at the modelling that has been done on it. As said, the evidence you've made reference to does not disprove global warming at all. All it proves is that sea temperatures fluctuate at different points of the ocean, something we've known for decades which is why marine life is affected. Its not even worth debating on here any further as the people on here are often Islamaphobic culturally ignorant fools who think they know better than people educated in the field. Keep believing the silly conspiracy theories if you wish from all the Christian fundamentalists and clowns like Alex Jones in America. Im not going to lose sleep at night. I just find it hilarious that people are this thick.

Re: General Election 2015

Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:59 am

blueminati wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Your a bit of a pecker head arnt you ,for the last 30 years scienctists and governments have Said they are melting coz of global warming so how come they are now getting bigger in fact the southern ice sheet has grown by a third in the last few years ?

Are you stupid or just going out of your way to come across as such? Seriously, read the link I sent you, properly. Temperatures differ around the globe and fluctuate which you'd have seen if you'd looked at the modelling that has been done on it. As said, the evidence you've made reference to does not disprove global warming at all. All it proves is that sea temperatures fluctuate at different points of the ocean, something we've known for decades which is why marine life is affected. Its not even worth debating on here any further as the people on here are often Islamaphobic culturally ignorant fools who think they know better than people educated in the field. Keep believing the silly conspiracy theories if you wish from all the Christian fundamentalists and clowns like Alex Jones in America. Im not going to lose sleep at night. I just find it hilarious that people are this thick.

It's very funny that you think your right on everything ,it must be so great bring you and knowing everything on every subject lol what a bell end you are !

Re: General Election 2015

Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:15 pm

wez1927 wrote:
blueminati wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
blueminati wrote:
popeye21 wrote:Then why do the IPCC need to hide data? Are you an expert on Energy Management? I have a post grad on the subject and many prominent scientists like the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore and Dr David Bellamy also believe it's a myth.

Global warming is happening. They've not hid data at all. The data is synthesised to factor in all results which actually means a more accurate recording is taken overall. The data is there for anyone to see. The tax argument is the best one yet. Are you a member on the David Icke forums by any chance?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Can you explain why the polar ice caps are now increasing ? And a lot of scientist agree that global warming isn't happening

Polar ice caps are now increasing obviously disproves global warming overall doesn't it? Omg you really need to resit your geography GCSE as you are bloody clueless.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

I do hope you're not one of those extremely thick types who thinks that because there's still snow in the world global warming cant be happening.

:laughing5:

Your a bit of a pecker head arnt you ,for the last 30 years scienctists and governments have Said they are melting coz of global warming so how come they are now getting bigger in fact the southern ice sheet has grown by a third in the last few years ?


The reason the Government and Scientists say it, it's because of the none jobs and taxes it creates but it's costing us billions.

The say the sea levels have risen and will continue meaning cities across the globe will be flooded, really? I thought Venice would have been flooded years ago going by their theory as it's at sea level but for some miracle the sea levels haven't made any difference unless they have different sea water than us.

All bullshit :bluescarf: