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Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:13 am

Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:32 am

Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.


Who is the fine too?

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:33 am

Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.


Cheeky buggers, How can a solicitor threaten you with a county court judgement?? only a court can issue that.

If you'd already been to the county court and been found guilty fair enough.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:12 am

The fine is to me from parking in Costco car park I ignored the original fine from new generation parking and the final demand from zzps limited now had a letter off solicitor threatening court action and ccj and bailiffs to recover the debt

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:27 am

Just ignore it

Its not enforceable

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:29 am

Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=97115

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:30 am

Ignore it and don't be bullied. It's a con and can't be enforced.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:40 am

Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.

I had a letter on Tuesday from the same solicitors, again telling me to pay £178 in 14 days or get ccj etc.
I was going to pay it until I saw the replies here

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:53 am

Thanks for the replies and link. I will ignore and just see what happens.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:55 am

Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.

Do they even exist? There is a Wright Hassell, but they are not local.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:58 am

Only the council & police can give you a parking ticket ,It's just a con mate. Don't give in :bluescarf:

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:12 am

Darryn1973 wrote:Thanks for the replies and link. I will ignore and just see what happens.


I really don't know about it but I have heard there were a change of laws regarding this.
Perhaps you & Shack27 could keep us informed of the outcome to help & clarify for future parking there by City fans??

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:46 am

Unfortunately, I would advise you not to ignore the letters. You could well be better off taking action, if you think that you have legitimate grounds to contest the ticket or if the fine is excessive. Wright Hassell, despite the odd name, are a legitimate and well known firm of solicitors. They are not one of these fly by night claims firms.

There is a big difference between parking on private land and parking on public land. Parking on private land can be effectively treated as a breach of contract if there are visible signposts advising you not to park without the landowners permission. The private parking operator can take the owner of the vehicle (not the driver) to court in a civil action.

If you ignore the letters then a judgment could be made against you for the amount claimed and you have missed the right to defend the action. If the court decides against you then enforcement action can be taken. It could also affect your credit rating.

That's not to say you should just accept this particularly if the fine is excessive. My advice would be to pay the fine if its reasonable (or pay an amount that you consider to be reasonable giving your reasons in writing). A lot of private parking fines have been successfully challenged, but you lose this right if you do nothing and ignore it.


Here is a link to some helpful guidance:http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets&sa=U&ei=8vXuVOv0IOe9ygPk9YGYAw&ved=0CA0QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNFFDbUT99wIc_bwUtD5canOMGPc7Q

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:47 am

Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.


Take the letter to the casino and give it to them, tell them that you were in the casino on that date and that you have had this letter. They will photocopy the letter and contact the solicitor on your behalf, that should be the end of it.
Ive had 2 letters with the same content as yours and the casino sorted it out for me.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:55 pm

the casino would do that even though it was from oct last year

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:01 pm

I never understood how some thing it's acceptable to park on
Private land and don't think of the consequences

If I parked my vehicle in your driveway would you find that acceptable ?

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:20 pm

IGNORE IT COMPLETELY.

I had the notice, the fine of £70, the threatening letters from the company, then the doubling of the fine, then the solicitor, then the county court then the solicitor again, then they halved the fine !!!

ALL CAME FROM THE SAME ADDRESS !
Dont even acknowledge receipt. It takes many months but eventually they give up.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:22 pm

Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.


Take letter and thrown in bin - problem solved.

Seriously, ignore everything they send, even the goverment have now said they are not legally binding just and invoice.

Bin it!

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:39 pm

I've had one today too! Was quite worried as I'm looking to buy a house so can't afford to have a ccj on my credit file! Definatly ignore it or?

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:39 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.

Do they even exist? There is a Wright Hassell, but they are not local.





Being local is not a pre-requisite for issuing these letters, as they act solely on behalf of their client; in this case the company who 'monitor' the Costco Car Park

Put simply, there is little chance of them pursuing a claim against you via County Court as they have to prove they lost out financially by overstaying their stipulated parking period. Given that you parked for free prior to time they say you overstayed your welcome, the issuance of their letter is no more than a cheeky attempt to obtain monies from you according to their private rules and not the law of the land

Ignore the invoice as it is not a legal fine; it's a late parking fee from a free car park!

Martin Lewis has loads of advice on www.moneysavingexpert.co.uk (or was it .com?) :thumbup: ;)

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:47 pm

Yes the casino will sort it out.
my first nasty letter was was 5 months after the initial ticket was issued.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:09 pm

SWilliams wrote:Unfortunately, I would advise you not to ignore the letters. You could well be better off taking action, if you think that you have legitimate grounds to contest the ticket or if the fine is excessive. Wright Hassell, despite the odd name, are a legitimate and well known firm of solicitors. They are not one of these fly by night claims firms.

There is a big difference between parking on private land and parking on public land. Parking on private land can be effectively treated as a breach of contract if there are visible signposts advising you not to park without the landowners permission. The private parking operator can take the owner of the vehicle (not the driver) to court in a civil action.

If you ignore the letters then a judgment could be made against you for the amount claimed and you have missed the right to defend the action. If the court decides against you then enforcement action can be taken. It could also affect your credit rating.

That's not to say you should just accept this particularly if the fine is excessive. My advice would be to pay the fine if its reasonable (or pay an amount that you consider to be reasonable giving your reasons in writing). A lot of private parking fines have been successfully challenged, but you lose this right if you do nothing and ignore it.


Here is a link to some helpful guidance:http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets&sa=U&ei=8vXuVOv0IOe9ygPk9YGYAw&ved=0CA0QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNFFDbUT99wIc_bwUtD5canOMGPc7Q




Nonsense

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:41 pm

My wife had a ticket at the stadium car park which I ignored and after a few letters,they gave up and I haven't heard anything since.

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:53 pm

noisycat wrote:My wife had a ticket at the stadium car park which I ignored and after a few letters,they gave up and I haven't heard anything since.





So many instances of this elsewhere on this and other Forums :thumbup:

Re: Parking fine

Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:45 pm

Further to my post,as far as I'm aware,the only people I would have to legally tell who was driving the car,are the Police and the council. A private company has no right to demand I tell them who was driving,although I may be wrong.

Re: Parking fine

Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:33 am

f**k em

Can't do shite

They have to prove you parking there cost them financially

Good luck to them to try that in a court of law

Re: Parking fine

Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:20 am

Cheeky blinders!

:x

Re: Parking fine

Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:28 pm

Darryn1973 wrote:Anyone had a letter recently of solicitor white hassell threatening ccj and bailiffs for non payment of fines it say I owe the £178.

http://www.motoring.co.uk/car-news/ille ... c=motoring

Illegal Parking Fines: Millions Could Be Refunded
RAC Foundation Says Drivers Could Be Compensated

Drivers could receive refunds totalling tens of millions of pounds if they have been illegally overcharged for breaching parking restrictions on private land, the RAC Foundation has theorised.

The RAC Foundation is a transport policy and research organisation that publishes independent research to promote debate. It claims to champion policies “in the interest of the responsible motorist”.

Legal Opinion

The Foundation's legal opinion - which comes via John de Waal QC who is a barrister at Hardwicke – is that parking companies have been “levying huge charges on drivers out of all proportion to the losses suffered by landowners as a result of motorists’ actions.”

Mr John de Waal's report argued: “Payments at the level that operators presently demand as sanctions are unlikely to count as genuine pre-estimate of loss.” He added: “They should be seen by the courts as penalties which means they are unenforceable.”

Mr de Wall explained that European consumer legislation - which requires contracts to be fair – ensures the early payment discounts that pressure the public to pay quickly or face higher charges “are unlawful because they constitute a price escalation clause.” Furthermore, when parking restriction signs are “not clear or prominently displayed” the motorist could legally challenge the fine on the basis that it is unfair, the legal expert explained.

Legal Argument Should Be Tested In Court

Professor Stephen Glaister, Director of the RAC Foundation, said: “We would like to see this legal argument tested in a higher court so that a binding precedent is set. At the same time, we would like the government to do what it should have done at the outset and set out what are reasonable charges.

The British Parking Association and the Independent Parking Committee recommend that their members do not issue tickets of more than £100 to those that overstay their welcome, or breach other conditions.

Professor Glaister added: “If the courts agree with Mr de Waal then millions of drivers could be in line for a refund. We estimate that in 2013 alone drivers might have been overcharged by some £100 million.” He concluded: “Some parking operators have a business model which means they only make a profit if members of the public overstay and can be charged an excessive penalty. We think this model - which invites zealous enforcement - is unfair and not fully understood by the public.”