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Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:14 pm

dantheswansman wrote:What a load of complete bollocks , this post smacks of desperation . you wish this was going to happen. its like a politicians speech . a little bit of truth and a whole load of complete and utter rubbish .

Verge of big trouble :sleepy2: think i will leave it there so i can go and piss myself :lol:


I understand your reluctance to accept it and urge to rubbish it.

But one would suggest that it would be far more convincing if you actually told us WHY it is complete and utter rubbish rather than just hastily saying so.

More than open to a discussion on it.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:37 pm

Woodville Willie wrote:
xajax wrote:Bullshit. :D



Fair play, you must have been up all night writing that analysis. :lol:


One word, two syllables is about your limit Willie :)

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:25 am

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Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:30 am

xajax wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:
xajax wrote:Bullshit. :D



Fair play, you must have been up all night writing that analysis. :lol:


One word, two syllables is about your limit Willie :)


One word, two sylla what?

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:04 am

Woodville Willie wrote:
xajax wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:
xajax wrote:Bullshit. :D



Fair play, you must have been up all night writing that analysis. :lol:


One word, two syllables is about your limit Willie :)


One word, two sylla what?


:lol: touche

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:30 pm

30 per cent of Swansea City could be sold to American investors for around £30million

Read more: http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk ... z3Q7QJy9Pb

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:37 pm

Hot off the press this morning... (Or a few days ago from me)





SWANSEA City could sell 30 per cent of the club to their potential American investors in exchange for around £30 million.

But that cash would go directly to those shareholders who are willing to sell rather than into Swansea’s coffers.

The proposal which has been discussed could then see John Moores and Charles Noell, the super-rich US businessmen who have held talks with Liberty chiefs, give Swansea favourable loans in a bid to help drive the club forward.

Swansea sources have stressed to the Evening Post that at this stage, it is too early say whether the Americans will come on board.

But Swansea are expecting to have a better idea of whether the US investment is likely to happen after a meeting which is due to take place at some stage in February.

Swansea’s Supporters’ Trust have made it clear they are opposed to the idea of foreign investors coming on board at the Liberty, and their 21.1 per cent stake in the club will not be for sale.

However, the suggestion is that Swansea’s other shareholders will consider selling some or all of their respective stakes in the club.

Depending on how many — if any — shares they sell, the likes of Huw Jenkins, Martin Morgan and Brian Katzen would receive a chunk of the £30 million it is likely to cost the Americans to buy into the club.

At this point, Swansea say no firm decisions have been taken about what the way ahead would be if and when the shares are sold.

But the Americans would then join the club’s board of directors, and the suggestion is they could then lend Swansea money in an attempt to help the club progress both on and off the pitch.

If a deal comes off, it is understood Swansea would push through with a bid to buy the Liberty Stadium from Swansea Council as well as pressing ahead with plans to expand their 20,900-capacity home.

A chunk of cash would also be spent on improving Swansea’s two new training grounds.

There is work to be done at the Landore site as Swansea attempt to achieve category one status for their academy, with the erection of an indoor barn and classrooms on the to-do list there.

At Fairwood, meantime, Swansea are still a long way from completing the top-class set-up they want for the first team, with offices, a gym and a swimming pool among the facilities which are still to be built. The American dollars may not be spent exclusively on off-field projects.

Swansea could also use some of their money for squad-

strengthening if required.

However, the club say one of the key attractions of the potential new investment is that it will allow them to improve their facilities and infrastructure without dipping into the pot of cash which is currently used to pay for player recruitment and wages.

None of Swansea’s shareholders has so far commented officially on the possibility of selling, but it is believed there is agreement in the boardroom — the supporters’ trust aside — that the Americans buying in would be a good thing.

Morgan currently has the biggest share in the club (22.5 per cent) ahead of Katzen and the trust, who have matching stakes.

Jenkins (13.2 per cent) is the next biggest shareholder ahead of Robert Davies (10.5 per cent), while Leigh Dineen and John van Zweden hold smaller stakes.

Swansea confirmed last October that they were in discussions over the possibility of fresh investors coming into the club, with Jenkins stating that there was a need for them to catch up with their Premier League rivals financially. Jenkins has bemoaned Swansea’s lack of marketing prowess, and there is a feeling that the know-how and contacts Moores and Noell would bring would benefit the club.

The Americans were previously in charge of Major League Baseball side the San Diego Padres.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:40 pm

IanGibsonAteMyHamster wrote:Hot off the press this morning... (Or a few days ago from me)





SWANSEA City could sell 30 per cent of the club to their potential American investors in exchange for around £30 million.

But that cash would go directly to those shareholders who are willing to sell rather than into Swansea’s coffers.

The proposal which has been discussed could then see John Moores and Charles Noell, the super-rich US businessmen who have held talks with Liberty chiefs, give Swansea favourable loans in a bid to help drive the club forward.

Swansea sources have stressed to the Evening Post that at this stage, it is too early say whether the Americans will come on board.

But Swansea are expecting to have a better idea of whether the US investment is likely to happen after a meeting which is due to take place at some stage in February.

Swansea’s Supporters’ Trust have made it clear they are opposed to the idea of foreign investors coming on board at the Liberty, and their 21.1 per cent stake in the club will not be for sale.

However, the suggestion is that Swansea’s other shareholders will consider selling some or all of their respective stakes in the club.

Depending on how many — if any — shares they sell, the likes of Huw Jenkins, Martin Morgan and Brian Katzen would receive a chunk of the £30 million it is likely to cost the Americans to buy into the club.

At this point, Swansea say no firm decisions have been taken about what the way ahead would be if and when the shares are sold.

But the Americans would then join the club’s board of directors, and the suggestion is they could then lend Swansea money in an attempt to help the club progress both on and off the pitch.

If a deal comes off, it is understood Swansea would push through with a bid to buy the Liberty Stadium from Swansea Council as well as pressing ahead with plans to expand their 20,900-capacity home.

A chunk of cash would also be spent on improving Swansea’s two new training grounds.

There is work to be done at the Landore site as Swansea attempt to achieve category one status for their academy, with the erection of an indoor barn and classrooms on the to-do list there.

At Fairwood, meantime, Swansea are still a long way from completing the top-class set-up they want for the first team, with offices, a gym and a swimming pool among the facilities which are still to be built. The American dollars may not be spent exclusively on off-field projects.

Swansea could also use some of their money for squad-

strengthening if required.

However, the club say one of the key attractions of the potential new investment is that it will allow them to improve their facilities and infrastructure without dipping into the pot of cash which is currently used to pay for player recruitment and wages.

None of Swansea’s shareholders has so far commented officially on the possibility of selling, but it is believed there is agreement in the boardroom — the supporters’ trust aside — that the Americans buying in would be a good thing.

Morgan currently has the biggest share in the club (22.5 per cent) ahead of Katzen and the trust, who have matching stakes.

Jenkins (13.2 per cent) is the next biggest shareholder ahead of Robert Davies (10.5 per cent), while Leigh Dineen and John van Zweden hold smaller stakes.

Swansea confirmed last October that they were in discussions over the possibility of fresh investors coming into the club, with Jenkins stating that there was a need for them to catch up with their Premier League rivals financially. Jenkins has bemoaned Swansea’s lack of marketing prowess, and there is a feeling that the know-how and contacts Moores and Noell would bring would benefit the club.

The Americans were previously in charge of Major League Baseball side the San Diego Padres.



Fair play, more or less what you said was in the pipeline. :thumbup: interesting times down the road. :old:

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:59 pm

I have been sent some PM's about this but cannot reply. Ideas?

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:17 pm

IanGibsonAteMyHamster wrote:I have been sent some PM's about this but cannot reply. Ideas?



Ask a moderator. This is an issue with some posters for some reason, especially fairly new accounts. They are normally pretty quick to sort it in fairness. :thumbup:

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:25 pm

They are mad to sell up. Just look at us and think no no no....money talks mind and generally phucks up most people. Things in football always change though. Wasn't that long ago we were both in the basement.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:53 pm

goats wrote:They are mad to sell up. Just look at us and think no no no....money talks mind and generally phucks up most people. Things in football always change though. Wasn't that long ago we were both in the basement.


Three teams go down every year so staying out of that drop zone every year is no mean feat. It only takes a bad run, some crucial decisions or injuries and the trapdoor opens wide. Up until now they have been very careful but to go down this road is a massive gamble. Like I said: Interestig times.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:32 pm

They would be bonkers to do this. Their prudent locally owned model works. Why mess with it?

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:01 am

Halifax93 wrote:They would be bonkers to do this. Their prudent locally owned model works. Why mess with it?



Is premier money and sales of players sustainable over period of time? Or is income from other sources that great? Look what happened at Fulham once al fyed stopped funding club! They didn't survive on premier money or other income soon relegated!

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:46 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Halifax93 wrote:They would be bonkers to do this. Their prudent locally owned model works. Why mess with it?



Is premier money and sales of players sustainable over period of time? Or is income from other sources that great? Look what happened at Fulham once al fyed stopped funding club! They didn't survive on premier money or other income soon relegated!


Of course it is, they post a massive profit every year to prove it. Fulham were paying Champions League wages, and lets not forget the TV deal these days dwarfs what they had back then. You get more for finishing 20th now than you did if you wont the league back then.

They are throwing away a very privileged position.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:23 pm

Interesting that the club which was sold for a penny not long ago, is now worth £100,000,000.

We've done it without big money backers, but I trust those who have overseen the rise of the club, to look after it now and in the future. They are after all, life long Jacks, who will still own 70% of the club, not foreign billionaires.

As we Jacks say "In Huw We Trust".

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:38 pm

I would be against the expansion, as it will affect their home form. A bigger stadium will only favour the away side as presently the Liberty is a difficult place to go.

Not sure there is a supporter demand either ?

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:50 pm

Mr Ducie wrote:I would be against the expansion, as it will affect their home form. A bigger stadium will only favour the away side as presently the Liberty is a difficult place to go.

Not sure there is a supporter demand either ?


I think another six thousand would be a worthwhile increase. There lots of people who supported the club from long before The Liberty, who are unable to buy a season ticket and cant get tickets on a match by match basis, so another six thousand would be snatched up pretty quickly.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:36 am

The Evening Post report is some way off the OP given, the main issue with the OP is the £150 million loan which just won't happen.

As for the expansion, we're expanding it to 25,000 as soon as possible and will be able to do this without reducing the attendance during the works.

As for the change of the ownership it looks like it will be Robert Davies and Brian Katzen leaving if a deal was to happen, which I'm not too fussed about. Just hope any new investors have the club interests at heart, but I'm sure the supporters of the club will make sure that is the case.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:11 am

SCFC wrote:The Evening Post report is some way off the OP given, the main issue with the OP is the £150 million loan which just won't happen.

As for the expansion, we're expanding it to 25,000 as soon as possible and will be able to do this without reducing the attendance during the works.

As for the change of the ownership it looks like it will be Robert Davies and Brian Katzen leaving if a deal was to happen, which I'm not too fussed about. Just hope any new investors have the club interests at heart, but I'm sure the supporters of the club will make sure that is the case.


25k is probably your max capacity tbh so enjoy. :wave: Shame you won't get any international games as CCS will do them. :thumbup:

The club has been sheltered so far by using a council facility for next to nothing but wait till you own it and have the running costs and other overheads to deal with. :old:

The very notion that the board is splitting apart with members leaving could mean that there is a crash waiting to happen. If The yanks come in and decide to franchise everything, the identity of the club will be lost. No body will invest £150m and not expect to influence the image and modus operandi of the club.

Hmmmmm. :old:

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:04 am

SCFC wrote:The Evening Post report is some way off the OP given, the main issue with the OP is the £150 million loan which just won't happen.

As for the expansion, we're expanding it to 25,000 as soon as possible and will be able to do this without reducing the attendance during the works.

As for the change of the ownership it looks like it will be Robert Davies and Brian Katzen leaving if a deal was to happen, which I'm not too fussed about. Just hope any new investors have the club interests at heart, but I'm sure the supporters of the club will make sure that is the case.


Its not some way off at all, they have almost copied my post word for word. They allude to loans but don't state how much. You have no idea if the loans will happen. But i can tell you for a fact they will. They don't have to be administered in one season do they. You are also not expanding to 25k. It will be 28k in the first phase, the original plan was to increase to 25k, that has now been scrapped.

The american interest is for THE WHOLE club. Buying 30% first gets their foot in the door and of course lessens the value of it and a whole club costs a lot more per share than part of it. Which is why Tan initially only bought in for a non controlling stake here and now owns 98% of it. Within a few years there will be no local people on the board. Moores, Noell and whatever the trusts shares have been diluted to, they may even be forced to sell should their % get low enough.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:02 pm

Woodville Willie wrote:
The club has been sheltered so far by using a council facility for next to nothing but wait till you own it and have the running costs and other overheads to deal with. :old:

The very notion that the board is splitting apart with members leaving could mean that there is a crash waiting to happen. If The yanks come in and decide to franchise everything, the identity of the club will be lost. No body will invest £150m and not expect to influence the image and modus operandi of the club.

Hmmmmm. :old:


Oh the shame, playing in a municipally owned stadium, just like eleven times European Champions AC & Inter Milan, and they are not the only ones. Can you imagine how much better they'd do if they owned their own stadium. :laughing6:

Splitting apart? Two out two in, thats all.
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Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:04 pm

xajax wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:
The club has been sheltered so far by using a council facility for next to nothing but wait till you own it and have the running costs and other overheads to deal with. :old:

The very notion that the board is splitting apart with members leaving could mean that there is a crash waiting to happen. If The yanks come in and decide to franchise everything, the identity of the club will be lost. No body will invest £150m and not expect to influence the image and modus operandi of the club.

Hmmmmm. :old:


Oh the shame, playing in a municipally owned stadium, just like eleven times European Champions AC & Inter Milan, and they are not the only ones. Can you imagine how much better they'd do if they owned their own stadium. :laughing6:


AC Milan are building a new stadium :ayatollah:

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:06 pm

Aramore wrote:
AC Milan are building a new stadium :ayatollah:


And so are we, although I'd prefer to rent TBH.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:14 pm

xajax wrote:
Aramore wrote:
AC Milan are building a new stadium :ayatollah:


And so are we, although I'd prefer to rent TBH.


No you arent.

Re: Swansea on the verge of BIG trouble.

Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:22 am

xajax wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:
The club has been sheltered so far by using a council facility for next to nothing but wait till you own it and have the running costs and other overheads to deal with. :old:

The very notion that the board is splitting apart with members leaving could mean that there is a crash waiting to happen. If The yanks come in and decide to franchise everything, the identity of the club will be lost. No body will invest £150m and not expect to influence the image and modus operandi of the club.

Hmmmmm. :old:


Oh the shame, playing in a municipally owned stadium, just like eleven times European Champions AC & Inter Milan, and they are not the only ones. Can you imagine how much better they'd do if they owned their own stadium. :laughing6:

Splitting apart? Two out two in, thats all.


Let's face it though, if there's no benefit to owning the ground, why are you considering buying (as a club I mean)??

The model you always push is one of being owned locally. This won't be true for much longer by the look of it.