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Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby ThomasC » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:23 am

4-4-2 is not going to suit him as he is not a box-to-box midfielder, rather an AMC in a 4-5-1 formation.

With 5 strikers competing for 2 places, it's unlikely we'll paly 4-4-1-1, I don't see Daelli coming into contention for the 2 CM slots. I do not rate him as winger and I feel he is only effective in the middle.

I am going to be Frank instead of Tom haha, I don't think he scores enough goals or has even influenced a game enough to make a position his own. If he was as good as the hype, we would of built the team around him by now, with the new formation it is my opinion that he will be moved out of the club as his game time is looking bleak.

He may go on to become a great player, just don't see it happening with us.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby wez1927 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:25 am

ThomasC wrote:4-4-2 is not going to suit him as he is not a box-to-box midfielder, rather an AMC in a 4-5-1 formation.

With 5 strikers competing for 2 places, it's unlikely we'll paly 4-4-1-1, I don't see Daelli coming into contention for the 2 CM slots. I do not rate him as winger and I feel he is only effective in the middle.

I am going to be Frank instead of Tom haha, I don't think he scores enough goals or has even influenced a game enough to make a position his own. If he was as good as the hype, we would of built the team around him by now, with the new formation it is my opinion that he will be moved out of the club as his game time is looking bleak.

He may go on to become a great player, just don't see it happening with us.

I think he's too lightweight for the championship
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby Zabier » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:26 am

I think that's a fair assessment. He certainly needs to bulk up a bit and maybe a different formation would suit his style. I think he could actually do well at a team like Arsenal that packs the midfield and gets the passing game going. He needs that midfield protection though and a lone striker that can thrive off service and not need an attacking partner.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby Dve » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:45 am

Unfortunately, I think you´re right. I cannot see him being a first choice at the moment. Still, we are short on wingers, so I think he´ll might get his chances, e.g. in case of injuries on Noone or Pilkington. Afterall, he´s been on the bench at least, while someone like Burgstaller is left out in the dark.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby random3 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:50 am

It's a bit weird, because he has been instrumental in all of Norway's victories in the European qualifiers. He is tackling and doing very well defensively, aswell as creating several chances at the other end. He seems stronger and harder to push off the ball when playing for his country.

For Norway, he is the star. And I think he thrives on the support shown by his fellow players and coaches. I have no idea why he is not doing as well in the championship. Maybe he is low on confidence.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby Mr Bean » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:04 am

He is a gifted player, no doubt about that, but I think he is too small and lightweight. He would be far more suited to a European type game.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby jon1959 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:15 am

Mr Bean wrote:He is a gifted player, no doubt about that, but I think he is too small and lightweight. He would be far more suited to a European type game.



Is he smaller and more lightweight than Johnny Williams?

I only listened to the match last night - but he seemed to be Ipswich's best player, and picked out as their MOM (again) on the Ipswich messageboards.

If Daelhi isn't making much impact for us at the moment I don't think it is because of his size or weight.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby Swindon Bluebird » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:46 am

ThomasC wrote:4-4-2 is not going to suit him as he is not a box-to-box midfielder, rather an AMC in a 4-5-1 formation.

With 5 strikers competing for 2 places, it's unlikely we'll paly 4-4-1-1, I don't see Daelli coming into contention for the 2 CM slots. I do not rate him as winger and I feel he is only effective in the middle.

I am going to be Frank instead of Tom haha, I don't think he scores enough goals or has even influenced a game enough to make a position his own. If he was as good as the hype, we would of built the team around him by now, with the new formation it is my opinion that he will be moved out of the club as his game time is looking bleak.

He may go on to become a great player, just don't see it happening with us.


Still good to have options. When our back 4 get properly settled, we'll y more solid to change formation. 4 5 1 with Kenwyn up front and daeli as an AM could come in handy later in the season
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby Man of Harlech » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:47 am

[quote="wez1927"][quote="ThomasC"]4-4-2 is not going to suit him as he is not a box-to-box midfielder, rather an AMC in a 4-5-1 formation.

With 5 strikers competing for 2 places, it's unlikely we'll paly 4-4-1-1, I don't see Daelli coming into contention for the 2 CM slots. I do not rate him as winger and I feel he is only effective in the middle.

Yes it was a very rigid 4-4-2 last night and looks as though it will stay that way, at least for now. So how will Ravel Morrison fit in that as well?
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby LonCar » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:20 pm

Mats is on the bench, he won't necessarily be moved on,fringe players like Eikrem, Burgstaller, Guerra (sadly), Cala etc will be the first ones to go.
The question is probably how long is Mats prepared to sit on the bench?

From the clubs point of view, Mats is young not likely to be on a big wage and its far too early to make a sweeping judgement on him as a player. Clubs that plan for the future dont get rid of gifted young players just because they don't live up to the hype in their first year. If you are thinking of the bigger picture, you'd let him go on loan to a club that is willing to give him a run of games in his rightful position ( like Palace did with williams when he couldn't get into their team).
To be frank, Whitts is 30 years old he is not gonna be our main playmaker for another 10 years.


Btw don't see where Ravel fits into this formation either, he is not a winger, not a hard tackling cm and as long as whitts seems to be the automatic choice where is Slade gonna play him in a 4-4-2?
Both him and Mats are likely to end up as impact subs in this formation which i think is a bit of a shame, imo they are way more gifted than the likes of Gunnarson, Pilks and Ralls, Macheda and Lefondre. Wouldn't exactly say most of those players have been more efficient, consistent or impressive. But i defo see them getting games because they fit with how Slade wants to play as a team and as long as we are winning you can't really complain. :bluescarf:
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby ThomasC » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:54 pm

Some great comments on here, agreeing with everyone, and I never thought about how 4-4-2 is to impact on Ravel Morrison.

I guess that's what happens when the Club brings in the players and not the manager. That is a worry going forward if VT and the 'transfer panel' override the wishes of Slade.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby NyeBluebird » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:58 pm

ThomasC wrote:Some great comments on here, agreeing with everyone, and I never thought about how 4-4-2 is to impact on Ravel Morrison.

I guess that's what happens when the Club brings in the players and not the manager. That is a worry going forward if VT and the 'transfer panel' override the wishes of Slade.

Ravel is only with us for another month or so before he gets locked up. We shouldn't be building a team around him.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby aleksano » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:44 pm

[quote="LonCar"]Mats is on the bench, he won't necessarily be moved on,fringe players like Eikrem, Burgstaller, Guerra (sadly), Cala etc will be the first ones to go.
The question is probably how long is Mats prepared to sit on the bench?


I will be surprised if he doesn't leave for a PL club in january/july
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby Valley Lad » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:23 pm

A fair assessment, Jonny Williams started in a 3 man midfield for Ipswich last night and looked good. Daehli could maybe do the same, just can't see us playing this way.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby tynesideblue » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:47 pm

Trouble is he fits priemership team not championship. If we are promoted and that's a long way off are we likely to have championship players with rigid system.. How much would you have to pay for someone dahli talent
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby LonCar » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:09 pm

tynesideblue wrote:Trouble is he fits priemership team not championship. If we are promoted and that's a long way off are we likely to have championship players with rigid system.. How much would you have to pay for someone dahli talent

If slade can't find no use for him he should let him go on loan to one of those PL clubs that were interested in him this summer, PL football suits him better and in case we go back up we can keep him.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby Scandinavianbluebird » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:54 pm

Daehli is very focused on developing as a footballer. If he dosent get the game time he should ask for a transfer, no doubt.
He just played some high class games out wide on international level, and haven't figured regularly in the team since Ole left.
If Slade thinks Pilks and Noone are better players thats up to him. But no way Daehli will stay or even go out on loan.
He didnt dominate them first games. But he was far far from the worst player in the team.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby cendl blue » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:01 pm

jon1959 wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:He is a gifted player, no doubt about that, but I think he is too small and lightweight. He would be far more suited to a European type game.



Is he smaller and more lightweight than Johnny Williams?

I only listened to the match last night - but he seemed to be Ipswich's best player, and picked out as their MOM (again) on the Ipswich messageboards.

If Daelhi isn't making much impact for us at the moment I don't think it is because of his size or weight.

Your spot on Williams was outstanding and the comparison was made between the two on the journey home. Dhaeli has played over here for years with the United youth set up so should be used to the physical side of the game. The one thing I think that will help him if someone ties his arms to his side when he's running he looks like Duncan norvelle. Not a good look in the championship.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby llan bluebird » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:04 pm

tynesideblue wrote:Trouble is he fits priemership team not championship. If we are promoted and that's a long way off are we likely to have championship players with rigid system.. How much would you have to pay for someone dahli talent



I agree
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby JimmyJazz » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:44 am

Dhaeli has played over here for years with the United youth set up so should be used to the physical side of the game. The one thing I think that will help him if someone ties his arms to his side when he's running he looks like Duncan norvelle. Not a good look in the championship.[/quote]

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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby barry boy » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:09 am

Dhaeli will be the star of the team in a few weeks time...

..........either left side interchanging with Noone, or in the middle behind the 2 strikers.

Always looks to keep the ball and put the small ball pass forward. Will work well with Le Fondre or Guerra.
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby ThomasC » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:46 am

barry boy wrote:Dhaeli will be the star of the team in a few weeks time...

..........either left side interchanging with Noone, or in the middle behind the 2 strikers.

Always looks to keep the ball and put the small ball pass forward. Will work well with Le Fondre or Guerra.


Interesting view, a diamond formation would accommodate Daelli, we would have to go for a specialist DMC for that to work.....with Whitts and Gunnarrson doing well who knows when we might see it, but it's certainly an option Slade has :bluescarf: :bluescarf:
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby ThomasC » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:01 am

some might suggest another Welsh club would use his talent better than us to fit into the tiki-taka style Daelli's game is geared towards :o
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Re: Is it the end for Daelli?

Postby LonCar » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:04 pm

ThomasC wrote:
barry boy wrote:Dhaeli will be the star of the team in a few weeks time...

..........either left side interchanging with Noone, or in the middle behind the 2 strikers.

Always looks to keep the ball and put the small ball pass forward. Will work well with Le Fondre or Guerra.


Interesting view, a diamond formation would accommodate Daelli, we would have to go for a specialist DMC for that to work.....with Whitts and Gunnarrson doing well who knows when we might see it, but it's certainly an option Slade has :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


He plays on the left for his country and always looks very sharp. So why isnt he having the same impact for us?
Honestly think slade could be making a mistake if he doesn't give the kid some games at least. You got to think ahead. Right now pilks might be a safer choice (defensively at least) but daehli will become a much better player IMO, which will benefit the club long term.

Shame we don't have any cup games. Kid came to city to get games if he wanted to play Dvp/sit on the bench he would have gone to Man U.
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