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Postby scots bluebird » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:24 pm

Brighton & hove Albion wrote:Image

From me.

Piss off you sweaty jocks. You have it easy. Free education, free prescriptions. 2% of the UK holding the rest to ransom? f**k off please.


Thanks for your intelligent contribution :evil:
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby AJ1927 » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:38 pm

scots bluebird wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:Image

From me.

Piss off you sweaty jocks. You have it easy. Free education, free prescriptions. 2% of the UK holding the rest to ransom? f**k off please.


Thanks for your intelligent contribution :evil:



agree,he could use a bit of free education :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby popeye21 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:33 am

Military Junta wrote:Don't people realise that an application to join the EU would take 5 years minimum

Adam it doesn't really matter how long it would take, the fact that they want to be governed by Brussels, yet they want independence so that they're not governed by Westminster, shows that they're a bunch of hypocrites.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby brickyblue » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:40 am

Absolutely NO from me we are stronger in the world unified as the uk in my book .
I feel a yes vote is a disaster for the uk .Scotland separating itself from the uk is disappointing.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Cardiffcitymad » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:58 am

brickyblue wrote:Absolutely NO from me we are stronger in the world unified as the uk in my book .
I feel a yes vote is a disaster for the uk .Scotland separating itself from the uk is disappointing.

We will still be united in respect of NATO and the EU.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Whistler » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:01 am

NO . NO. NO.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Whitchurchbluebird » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:13 am

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/09/1 ... -campaign/


It's nice to see how unbiased the BBC is in all this!
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby PtB » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:07 am

The BBC have been a disgrace in most of their coverage. The press in general have been shoddy with what they put in the English editions compared to the Scottish ones.

We'll know this time next week what the people want then we'll move on in whatever direction that happens to be.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Cardiff Daft! » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:51 pm

PtB wrote:The BBC have been a disgrace in most of their coverage. The press in general have been shoddy with what they put in the English editions compared to the Scottish ones.

We'll know this time next week what the people want then we'll move on in whatever direction that happens to be.


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Re: indendence Scotland Yes or No?

Postby krabb » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:11 am

RICK+CCFC wrote:We are a United Kingdom, two World wars are testimony to that fact.

this.....we fought together in the past and we fight together now and long may it continue....divided we fall..... :ayatollah:
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Forever Blue » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:24 am

A Fact

Scotland spends more than it collects in Tax Revenues including North Sea Oil income.
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Re: indendence Scotland Yes or No?

Postby PtB » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:33 am

krabb wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:We are a United Kingdom, two World wars are testimony to that fact.

this.....we fought together in the past and we fight together now and long may it continue....divided we fall..... :ayatollah:

England has been dividing it for years. Thatcher did as much as she could as far as cutting Scotland off from proceedings.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby DanielHopkins18 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:03 am

Yes for me.
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Re: indendence Scotland Yes or No?

Postby krabb » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:03 am

PtB wrote:
krabb wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:We are a United Kingdom, two World wars are testimony to that fact.

this.....we fought together in the past and we fight together now and long may it continue....divided we fall..... :ayatollah:

England has been dividing it for years. Thatcher did as much as she could as far as cutting Scotland off from proceedings.

more to britain than england my friend......have the scots not fought along side the welsh and irish.....
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby welshjon » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:34 am

Forever Blue wrote:A Fact

Scotland spends more than it collects in Tax Revenues including North Sea Oil income.


Yes Annis that is a fact Scotland had a deficit of 12.1 billion for 2012-2013

But that's half the story the rest of the UK for same period had a deficit of 117.4 billion

Let's have both sides of the story rather than 1 side

Rest of uk spends more than it collects in Tax Revenues also A Fact
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby purplehaze » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:36 am

AJ1927:
We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.




How do you even calculate this figure?

1/4 of a whole continent, impressive.

Don`t have much to do with the vote, but personally I think a strong UK (with or without independent Scotland) is needed as a counterweight to Brussel.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Fusilier23 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:01 pm

King Alex is telling everyone that the scaremongers are wrong, the banks, stores etc.

Surely if they thought it would be good for Scotland they would say so - the majority of these institutions are not bothered by the split of the union for sentimental reasons, a good few of them are overseas owned


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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby griff105 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:03 pm

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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Military Junta » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:07 pm

12,000 Orange Order march through Edinburgh this morning against Independence
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby AJ1927 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:54 pm

purplehaze wrote:AJ1927:
We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.




How do you even calculate this figure?

1/4 of a whole continent, impressive.

Don`t have much to do with the vote, but personally I think a strong UK (with or without independent Scotland) is needed as a counterweight to Brussel.



I didn't calculate it.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby PtB » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:38 pm

Military Junta wrote:12,000 Orange Order march through Edinburgh this morning against Independence

Many of them not from Scotland and nothing to do with it.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby RICK+CCFC » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:09 am

PtB wrote:
Military Junta wrote:12,000 Orange Order march through Edinburgh this morning against Independence

Many of them not from Scotland and nothing to do with it.


I think that with a little bit of research, you will find that thousands of Scots folk were forced, or encouraged to move to Northern Ireland during the 17, 18, & 19th Century's. Northern Ireland wouldn't be what it is without the Scots.

I wish i was in Edinburgh today (yesterday).
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Pat Turd » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:47 am

Whatever they decide ism 't it just good that your average person is engaging in politics on a level not seen in uk for years. As a population we have been sleepwalking to the current situation for decades. Labour Tory labour Tory nobody cares anymore. Our forefathers, mine miners would be ashamed at level of apathy now. Looking forward to a new era of politics in uk or ruk regardless. I personally would be yes.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby popeye21 » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:19 pm

BlueGog wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:TAKEN FROM FB


Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3%

But we DO have...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry.

We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry
13 billion food and drink industry
10 billion business services industry
9.3 billion chemical services industry
A 9.3 billion tourism industry
7 billion financial services industry
5 billion aeroservice industry
4.5 billion pound whiskey exports industry
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports

We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.

And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population... Whaow Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying "I DONT LIKE ALEX SALMOND" or "I DONT LIKE SNP"...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DONT LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in our history of being better-together is as follows...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

But surely these awful figures cannot be possible when you read the following Scottish statistics...

Now, finally, did you also know that in all of the UK's elections for Westminster ever!... Not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have no democracy here!!! 4 decades of tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds if thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster's Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was "let the markets decide". Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of "let the markets decide".

FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out a out the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though)

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nations government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they'd have us believe?

Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. Thats another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have.

SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX.

SCOTLAND, ITS TIME TO STAND UP AS A NATION AND VOTE YES ON THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER... AND BECOME A FREE AND CARING NATION AGAIN!!!

VOTE YES AND SET OUR COUNTRY FREE!!!!

Y E S ! ! ! Y E S ! ! ! Y E S ! ! !


Brilliant post. Follow that, well I wish Wales would follow Scotland to freedom.

Explain how it is freedom when both countries want to be governed by the EU rather than Westminster. If they wanted independence and to remain outside the EU they would be free. However, wanting to be part of the EU will mean they will be worse off than they are now, where they have more clout as part of the UK negotiating with the EU.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby PtB » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:20 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
PtB wrote:
Military Junta wrote:12,000 Orange Order march through Edinburgh this morning against Independence

Many of them not from Scotland and nothing to do with it.


I think that with a little bit of research, you will find that thousands of Scots folk were forced, or encouraged to move to Northern Ireland during the 17, 18, & 19th Century's. Northern Ireland wouldn't be what it is without the Scots.

I wish i was in Edinburgh today (yesterday).

We're talking about now & the future.

I fail to see what relevance matching through Edinburgh with a banner declaring "No Popery" has to do with the campaign to keep the UK together.
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Re: ' indendence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Hofmeister » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:27 am

Forever Blue wrote:A Fact

Scotland spends more than it collects in Tax Revenues including North Sea Oil income.

so does the rest of the UK... imagine Welsh farmers without the financial help by the EU... there wouldn't be no Welsh or even British agriculture anymore
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Re: ' independence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby BlueGog » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:03 am

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Re: ' independence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby Military Junta » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:26 am

BlueGog wrote::ole: :ole: :ole:


Have you ever been to Norway..? If so you would know how expensive it is because of tax which is all well and good in a low populated country like Norway but you couldn't do that in a country with a population like 60+ million as its unrealistic and I say that because its far easier to get high paid jobs for 5 million than it is to get high paid jobs for 60 million as you would put far more people in provity
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Re: ' independence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby abergblue » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:53 am

Having read above post about all Scotland's resources I hope they go independent. How long will it be before they are begging to join the EU (despite Spain and probably France stopping them), realise without the British £ they will have to adopt the Euro and be totally governed by Brussels, so any resources they have will soon disappear into a socialist ideology that they seem so desperate to have.
They want to be part of NATO, but not contribute to it - strange one that as NATO is based on a nuclear defence system that Scotland seem to want to get rid of. At least they will then be safe from any attack on their country as surely a nuclear attack on us or England would have no effect on them?
Their armed forces will be disbanded so 1000's of service personnel will be out of work, along with all the highly paid jobs that are connected to the nuclear submarine industry up there (perhaps Wales could get them).
The financial services/banks - remember the ones who dragged the rest of the UK into so much financial turmoil (RBS, HBOS, etc with Gordon Browns help) will all transfer to England with more highly paid jobs ad taxation receipts transferred to the rest of the UK.
However as they have so many sheep, cows and trees they will be able to provide all these ex servicemen and financial industry staff with good well paid employment. So good luck to them, and thanks for the memories.
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Re: ' independence Scotland Yes or No? '

Postby AlwaysBBlue » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:05 pm

Military Junta wrote:
BlueGog wrote::ole: :ole: :ole:


Have you ever been to Norway..? If so you would know how expensive it is because of tax which is all well and good in a low populated country like Norway but you couldn't do that in a country with a population like 60+ million as its unrealistic and I say that because its far easier to get high paid jobs for 5 million than it is to get high paid jobs for 60 million as you would put far more people in provity


good thing scotlands population is 5.295 million then isnt it? :lol:
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