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Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:59 am
Anyone know the ruling on when a player can play for 3 clubs in a season? I thought it was only two clubs and have read in the media that Scott Sinclair and el Mohammady can't sign for any other clubs because they have already played for 2 clubs this season. How did Ramsey play for 3 a few seasons ago and David mcgoldrick has this season. Both of them for permanent club plus 2 other loans. Hull newspaper saying we can't sign elmohammady because of above ? Why can't he sign on loan?? Can someone clarify this??
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:26 pm
For Sinclair and Rmsey it's due to nationality, you can play for teams from different country and we count as Welsh. Ramsey played for 2 English teams and 1 Welsh team.
As for David McGoldrick, my guess is he hasn't payed a league game for Forest.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:30 pm
Mcgoldrick only played carling cup game,
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:32 pm
Cheers for answer but why can't Sinclair sign for everton then? 2 English and 1 Welsh side.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:41 pm
Michael Appleton has managed three clubs this season.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:42 pm
Can you link me to where he can't?
Maybe a rule change since Ramsey came to us.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:57 pm
Scott Sinclair has been linked with a move away from the club in January after a disastrous start to his career at The Etihad. Despite the fact Roberto Mancini made his intentions clear that no player would be leaving the club in January that has not stopped the press from suggesting the former Swansea player could be on his way to Everton on a loan-deal until the end of the season.
But can Scott Sinclair actually leave Manchester City within the confines of FIFA Rules. While many have spoken of this rule already, usually in relation to Andy Carroll, the common answer is as follows:
A player cannot play for more than two clubs in a season. Sure he could leave as he is entitled to sign for three clubs in that period but he can only feature in official matches for two something he has already done this campaign.
Here is the rule in question:
‘Players may be registered for a maximum of three clubs during the period from 1 July until 30 June of the following year. During this period, the player is only eligible to play in Official Matches for two clubs.’
Indeed before his handful of appearances for his new club he emerged from the bench to grab a goal in the opening day humbling of QPR under Michael Laudrup. The only area in which the rule is unclear or at least vague is if Sinclair was to return to Swansea on a loan-deal. However the idea of him going to Everton is absolutely impossible.
But if he really is that desperate for first-team football not all hope is lost. He is in fact able to sign for and play for a team whose national registration period does not run adjacent to ours. This happened previously with Javier Mascherano when he featured for Liverpool, West Ham and Brazilian outfit Corinthians during the period. As the Brazilian period runs from January to December he was eligible to play for Liverpool.
So if he is really keen on such a deal there is a wealth of options; however England and much of Europe is off the agenda. Even Russia runs parallel to us these days. His options are limited to a stint in the MLS, South America or perhaps some parts of Scandinavia.
Therefore it seems very, very unlikely that Scott Sinclair will be going anywhere this January.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:22 pm
I'd say they are wrong given how rare the circumstances are. But maybe the rule was changed to bring Welsh sides in line (which would be fairer).
Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:59 pm
The Weslh Fa and English FA have the same transfer windows so the 2 club rule is in place. Anyway the Welsh clubs in the English system are governed byt the English system anyway.
The only thing I am uncertain about at the moment are cup games. The FIFA rule says "Competitive Games" so I assume Cups are included.
I'm wondering if Hull will have a problem with DJ Campell. He has played for Ipswich, then Redknapp called him back and played him in the FA Cup.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:00 pm
Wayne S wrote:The Weslh Fa and English FA have the same transfer windows so the 2 club rule is in place. Anyway the Welsh clubs in the English system are governed byt the English system anyway.
The only thing I am uncertain about at the moment are cup games. The FIFA rule says "Competitive Games" so I assume Cups are included.
I'm wondering if Hull will have a problem with DJ Campell. He has played for Ipswich, then Redknapp called him back and played him in the FA Cup.
Ramsey?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:27 pm
RFMH wrote:Wayne S wrote:The Weslh Fa and English FA have the same transfer windows so the 2 club rule is in place. Anyway the Welsh clubs in the English system are governed byt the English system anyway.
The only thing I am uncertain about at the moment are cup games. The FIFA rule says "Competitive Games" so I assume Cups are included.
I'm wondering if Hull will have a problem with DJ Campell. He has played for Ipswich, then Redknapp called him back and played him in the FA Cup.
Ramsey?
It's the bug bear of FIFA, the Emergency Loan. They are not included in the two club rule. I assume they are the one month loans.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:44 pm
The rule is you cant play for no more than 3 teams ,therefore a player can play for 3 clubs but not a 4th
Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:45 pm
RFMH wrote:Wayne S wrote:The Weslh Fa and English FA have the same transfer windows so the 2 club rule is in place. Anyway the Welsh clubs in the English system are governed byt the English system anyway.
The only thing I am uncertain about at the moment are cup games. The FIFA rule says "Competitive Games" so I assume Cups are included.
I'm wondering if Hull will have a problem with DJ Campell. He has played for Ipswich, then Redknapp called him back and played him in the FA Cup.
Ramsey?
He broke his leg in the February. He didn't play again that season and signed for Forest and us the following transfer "period" without playing for Arsenal until the season after.
Is this not the case?
Sorry about the unneccessary smilies but my 5 year old daughter has been "advising"!
Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:48 pm
darran1927 wrote:The rule is you cant play for no more than 3 teams ,therefore a player can play for 3 clubs but not a 4th
Currently under the FIFA Transfer Regulations a football player is unable to play for more than three teams in one season. This applies whether the player has been transferred or simply is on loan with that club.
This also applies regardless of what country that player has plied his trade in, whether that is in Europe, Africa or South America. As long as a player has represented a club in a league under the adjudication of a FIFA Member Association they will only be able to play for three different clubs.
However, this does mean that a football player is free to represent a total of three different clubs in any league in the world over the course of one season."
Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:58 pm
darran1927 wrote:darran1927 wrote:The rule is you cant play for no more than 3 teams ,therefore a player can play for 3 clubs but not a 4th
Currently under the FIFA Transfer Regulations a football player is unable to play for more than three teams in one season. This applies whether the player has been transferred or simply is on loan with that club.
This also applies regardless of what country that player has plied his trade in, whether that is in Europe, Africa or South America. As long as a player has represented a club in a league under the adjudication of a FIFA Member Association they will only be able to play for three different clubs.
However, this does mean that a football player is free to represent a total of three different clubs in any league in the world over the course of one season."
Ignore previous posts just found the rule on FIFA ,registered max 3 but can only play for 2
. Players may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during one season. During this period, the player is only eligible to play official matches for two clubs. As an exception to this rule, a player moving between two clubs belonging to associations with overlapping seasons (i.e. start of the season in summer/autumn as opposed to winter/spring) may be eligible to play in official matches for a third club during the relevant season, provided he has fully complied with his contractual obligations towards his previous clubs. Equally, the provisions relating to the registration periods (article 6) as well as to the minimum length of a contract (article 18 paragraph 2) must be respected.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:58 pm
Howey1927 wrote:He broke his leg in the February. He didn't play again that season and signed for Forest and us the following transfer "period" without playing for Arsenal until the season after.
Is this not the case?
Sorry about the unneccessary smilies but my 5 year old daughter has been "advising"!
Ramsey Leg Break -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 530490.stm 09-10 season
Ramsey Loan to Forest -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 227061.stm November 10-11 Season
Ramsey Loan To Cardiff -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 369702.stm January 10-11 Season
Ramsey Scores vs Man Utd -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 469712.stm May 10-11 Season
3 Teams, 1 Season Not that hard...
Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:02 pm
Ramsey's time with Us was classed as an emergency loan so did not count towards the 2 teams.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:32 pm
Wayne S wrote:Ramsey's time with Us was classed as an emergency loan so did not count towards the 2 teams.
A loan is a loan! A club is a club...
Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:41 pm
Merlin wrote:Wayne S wrote:RFMH wrote:
3 Teams, 1 Season Not that hard...
Ramsey's time with us was classed as an emergency loan so did not count towards the 2 teams.
A loan is a loan! A club is a club...
A FIFA spokesman said: ‘FIFA are concerned about the system of emergency loans in general and have approached the Football Association on various occasions in the past regarding this. FIFA will be contacting them again in order to obtain clarification with regard to this issue.
Article 5 Paragraph 3 of the Regulations dictates that a player can be registered with a maximum of three clubs during one season but can only play for two of them — with the sole exception of a move between clubs with overlapping seasons.
Emergency loans were introduced by the Football League to allow players to move outside of FIFA’s strict transfer windows and therefore help clubs avoid the expense of stockpiling larger squads.
Under FA rules Emergency loans don’t count when calculating the number of clubs a player has played for as he remains under contract to his parent
Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:48 pm
Wayne S wrote:Under FA rules Emergency loans don’t count when calculating the number of clubs a player has played for as he remains under contract to his parent
Citation?
Also I cant see where Ramsey is stated as an Emergency loan,especially given he was signed in the January transfer Window. Forest maybe though.
I can remember at the time something about the reason he came to Cardiff rather than anywhere else was because we count as a Welsh side ergo he can play for three teams.
http://london.myvillage.com/news/cardif ... n-stay-put Plus Wenger would have never entertained the idea of keeping him here if that was the case.
Plus should you be able to pull up players that have played for three teams in a season if this was the case? Yet Rambo seems to stand alone, more than willing to be proved wrong here.
Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:56 pm
RFMH wrote:Wayne S wrote:Under FA rules Emergency loans don’t count when calculating the number of clubs a player has played for as he remains under contract to his parent
Citation?
Also I cant see where Ramsey is stated as an Emergency loan,especially given he was signed in the January transfer Window
Not a citation but its at the end of this newspaper piece.
I remember it being that he was allowed to come because of the emergency rule, whether with Forest or us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... eason.htmlhttp://www.whoateallthepies.tv/transfer ... -loan.html
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:20 pm
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