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President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:56 pm

The man can make a speech. Very important two years for the US.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:05 pm

America is fuked...and obama isn't the man to save them.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:49 pm

mr'mogreenz wrote:America is fuked...and obama isn't the man to save them.



How that man's got a Nobel Peace Prize is beyond unfunny!

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:53 pm

Whitchurchbluebird wrote:
mr'mogreenz wrote:America is fuked...and obama isn't the man to save them.



How that man's got a Nobel Peace Prize is beyond unfunny!


Having been a visitor in the states recently I can confirm that he is not liked as much as the British press want you to believe. The public over there are furious about the debt issue not being sorted.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:25 pm

He was always going to play it safe for his first term so he can get re-elected. Whether or not he will push more serious issues and solve their problems is left to be seen. He hasnt started well though with this Gun lobby situation, I agree with his stance but most Americans dont

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:30 pm

The economy is the main thing most Americans are worried about and he's just increasing the debt!!!!

During the debates Romney stated two things which the Obama campaign rubbished and they were:
1) Al Qaeda was setting up in Mali
and
2) Chrysler were moving Car manufactoring to China.

Low and behold within months of the election both have become true.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:35 pm

yes but romney stated before even the election results

he's willing to back any israeli attack on iran, this could of been seen by iran as a pre-emptive decloration of war. he said he wouldnt to crack down on chinas trade with america, even though china are americans biggest export nation. lets face it, since bush america has gone close to ruin, obama has kept them from hitting the ruin where romney would of taken them.


romney stated he would cut the deficit, without raising taxes, and still increase the defence by either 3bn or 3trillion.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:39 pm

bluebird04 wrote:yes but romney stated before even the election results

he's willing to back any israeli attack on iran, this could of been seen by iran as a pre-emptive decloration of war. he said he wouldnt to crack down on chinas trade with america, even though china are americans biggest export nation. lets face it, since bush america has gone close to ruin, obama has kept them from hitting the ruin where romney would of taken them.


romney stated he would cut the deficit, without raising taxes, and still increase the defence by either 3bn or 3trillion.


Romney's record in both business and his record as head of his state proves otherwise.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:44 pm

About the best politician America has. If he's able to pass some sensible gun control, keep healthcare rolling and keep up his civil rights policies hell have done well.

A note about his budget, he had a budget to decrease the deficit, republicans who control the house blocked it.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:51 pm

RFMH wrote:About the best politician America has. If he's able to pass some sensible gun control, keep healthcare rolling and keep up his civil rights policies hell have done well.

A note about his budget, he had a budget to decrease the deficit, republicans who control the house blocked it.


His own so-called budget is to raise the debt celling which is what the Republicians are blocking.

This is a man who calling for everyone to be given a fair chance yet he has the least amount of women within in high office since the 80's!!!

This is a man who today claimed that its the end of the 'decade of war' yet two hours earlier dropped a drown in Yeman!!!

You couldn't make it up!!!

Re: President Barack Obama...

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:57 pm

He's not perfect by any means, but he still far better than any Republican. Creationism, out right racism, climate change denial, unrelenting support for Israel (not saying they deserve no support but America do not help this situation much), anti-immigrant, etc.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:00 am

America is heading towards being a totalitarian nation and anyone who mentions it in the USA is being cast off as a loon. There will be civil unrest soon enough once they go too far. The difference in America is they will get the guns out, illegal or legal, and stand by the constitution that they are proud of. In this country many wouldn't bat an eyelid, kind of like the rebranding, many didn't care. How many turn out in the polls here? Minimal in comparison to the states. The people there are very politically motivated and outspoken. It means a lot to them.

America invades many countries but its biggest enemy is itself.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:13 am

[quote="RFMH"]About the best politician America has. If he's able to pass some sensible gun control, keep healthcare rolling and keep up his civil rights policies hell have done well.

A note about his budget, he had a budget to decrease the deficit, republicans who control the house blocked it.

Have you ever heard about the National Defence Authorisation Act?
He signed in to law that he has power to detain American citizens indefinitely, without charge or trial!
making a mockery of the Habeas corpus which is supposedly written in to the Constitution!

Said he would close Guantanamo Bay - Still very much open!

Said the first thing he would do when got in to office would be to bring the troops home from Iraq "And you can take that to the bank" - What did he do? upped the numbers by 30,000!

And not to mention the guy's name is Barry Soetoro and he was born in Kenya so by American law shouldn't be preident in the first place!

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:33 am

Whitchurchbluebird wrote:Have you ever heard about the National Defence Authorisation Act?
He signed in to law that he has power to detain American citizens indefinitely, without charge or trial!
making a mockery of the Habeas corpus which is supposedly written in to the Constitution!


Err it actually doesn't, it was put out by fear mongers that it could

Does the NDAA authorize the indefinite detention of citizens?
No, though it does not foreclose the possibility either. Congress ultimately included language in the NDAA expressly designed to leave this question untouched–that is, governed by pre-existing law, which as we explain below is unsettled on this question.


http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/12/ndaa ... perplexed/

It's largely beside the point anyway, I meant gay rights which he has been pretty good on. As for Guantanemo, he said as a senatr he would close it and it was one of the first things he signed, but he wouldn't be briefed on various amounts of confidential information until he was sworn in, rightly or wrongly it's not a surprise he flipped on that one.

Obama is not perfect, but if you think a republican president would have been better you need your head examined.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:56 am

Whitchurchbluebird wrote:
mr'mogreenz wrote:America is fuked...and obama isn't the man to save them.



How that man's got a Nobel Peace Prize is beyond unfunny!


Because he hasn't started an illegal war yet. Even though he's sending 60% of the US navy to the South China Sea, should be interesting.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:25 am

Angry Man wrote:
Whitchurchbluebird wrote:
mr'mogreenz wrote:America is fuked...and obama isn't the man to save them.



How that man's got a Nobel Peace Prize is beyond unfunny!


Having been a visitor in the states recently I can confirm that he is not liked as much as the British press want you to believe. The public over there are furious about the debt issue not being sorted.


So you spent a couple of weeks over here and now your an expert?
If he was so poorly thought of by the public he wouldn't have won the electoral vote yet alone the popular vote.
Your fleeting career in local politics and the odd chat with some locals hardly qualifies you to speak with any authority.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:15 am

Whitchurchbluebird wrote:
RFMH wrote:About the best politician America has. If he's able to pass some sensible gun control, keep healthcare rolling and keep up his civil rights policies hell have done well.

A note about his budget, he had a budget to decrease the deficit, republicans who control the house blocked it.

Have you ever heard about the National Defence Authorisation Act?
He signed in to law that he has power to detain American citizens indefinitely, without charge or trial!
making a mockery of the Habeas corpus which is supposedly written in to the Constitution!

Said he would close Guantanamo Bay - Still very much open!

Said the first thing he would do when got in to office would be to bring the troops home from Iraq "And you can take that to the bank" - What did he do? upped the numbers by 30,000!

And not to mention the guy's name is Barry Soetoro and he was born in Kenya so by American law shouldn't be preident in the first place!


But he wasnt actually born in Kenya. That was just scaremongering by the Republicans.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:29 am

Fell asleep three minutes in :ayatollah:

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:41 am

RFMH wrote:
Whitchurchbluebird wrote:Have you ever heard about the National Defence Authorisation Act?
He signed in to law that he has power to detain American citizens indefinitely, without charge or trial!
making a mockery of the Habeas corpus which is supposedly written in to the Constitution!


Err it actually doesn't, it was put out by fear mongers that it could

Does the NDAA authorize the indefinite detention of citizens?
No, though it does not foreclose the possibility either. Congress ultimately included language in the NDAA expressly designed to leave this question untouched–that is, governed by pre-existing law, which as we explain below is unsettled on this question.


Errrrrrrrrrrrrr yes it dose!

Section 1021 of the NDAA governs, as its title says, “Authority of the Armed Forces to Detain Covered Persons Pursuant to the AUMF.” The first provision — section (a) — explicitly “affirms that the authority of the President” under the AUMF ”includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons.” The next section, (b), defines “covered persons” — i.e., those who can be detained by the U.S. military — as “a person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.” With regard to those “covered individuals,” this is the power vested in the President by the next section, (c):

But this is where it get's even more shady, they redefined the meaning of who it is that is "or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition" and put people who are strong consittitutionalist's and people who stand up for common law in to this bracket!

The only thing you have got right about him is that "he is not perfect" No he's is a wart on the anus of humanity!

Drone strike on my house imminent no doubt!

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:06 am

Yeah if you're just going to quote the Bill not in full without context, that's not going to cut it.

Section 1021 Subsection E
(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

Section 1022 Paragraph 1 states who can be detained under the act, while Paragraph 4 states how the President can waiver requirements in order to detain certain people if its for National Security. However it immediately states American residents and Legal American Aliens cannot be used under this context.

You see the bill didn't rewrite American Law (it's only 500 pages for a start, far too small) it built on frame works that already exist due to the Japanese Interment in WW2 the fall out following that etc, so for example there is no "indefinite" detention because the law states as soon as the conflict ends (projected 2014) most of this stuff ends.

I must apologise though, I didn't see your further conspiracy bullshit on him being from Kenya and now your stuff about drone strikes. I didn't realise I was dealing with an Alex Jones fan boy. Shouldn't have wasted my time. I imagine you're a hop skip and a jump away from mentioning the illuminati.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:18 am

Wash DC Blue wrote:
Angry Man wrote:
Whitchurchbluebird wrote:
mr'mogreenz wrote:America is fuked...and obama isn't the man to save them.



How that man's got a Nobel Peace Prize is beyond unfunny!


Having been a visitor in the states recently I can confirm that he is not liked as much as the British press want you to believe. The public over there are furious about the debt issue not being sorted.


So you spent a couple of weeks over here and now your an expert?
If he was so poorly thought of by the public he wouldn't have won the electoral vote yet alone the popular vote.
Your fleeting career in local politics and the odd chat with some locals hardly qualifies you to speak with any authority.


If there was an election today then he wouldn't get in

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:07 am

Whitchurchbluebird wrote:
mr'mogreenz wrote:America is fuked...and obama isn't the man to save them.



How that man's got a Nobel Peace Prize is beyond unfunny!


Its coz 'e iz black, innit :lol: :lol: :lol:

The fact that he has continued sending his troops into other peoples countries
and perpetuated the killings is irrelevant.

Sad thing is. The above is true. :evil:

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:23 am

The one reason why so many Americans dislike Obama can be summed up in one word....... RACISM.

Some can't get over the fact they have a black president.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:39 am

funny fact : adolf hitler won a nobel peace prize.


obama is best option for america though. if you had mitt romney or the other republicans, then chances are right now. there'd be a missile war between iran.

iran and north korea are loving allies, and with north korea recently becoming allies with china, and half the middle east anti america, we could of been looking at doomsday......call me over exagurating or making stuff up. but the republicans stance on anyone getting better weapons or advanced weapons over them usually leads to war. romney even stated during the election campagin he will back israeli attacks on iran.


yes obama hasnt closed guantamo bay, and hes made other mistakes, but the globe is facing its worst economical crisis. he cannot wake up one day and go, if i do this now, then all our worries are solved. hes making the best out of a bad situtation.

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:40 am

bellandcarver wrote:The one reason why so many Americans dislike Obama can be summed up in one word....... RACISM.

Some can't get over the fact they have a black president.


This. Theyre nearly as brainwashed as north Koreans

Re: President Barack Obama...

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:49 am

The US is fucked until the government actually grows some balls and stops letting the rich run the show. However, the government is financed by the rich so that ain't going to happen. Do the rich care if the US hits the wall? No. It will just be the poor that suffer and the rich will become richer.

The US now is very much like Russia and China used to be. A land mass that large cannot be ruled by one leader. I know the US has its different states but it just doesn't work in this current set up. Huge changes need to be made and I'm talking on a revolutionary scale here. Not necessarily Civil War or anything but a change to their legislation and the way that the US is governed. That could be said the world over though. Politicians and bankers are destroying the world. I think China's communist rule is actually more democratic than the West right now.