" More than 1200 dead! "

Sorry but people have a choice whether they want to work there or not. Its Qatar not mother Russia

A lot of the people who work there are desperately poor and don't have much choice, plus they are told they will earn a decent wage and when they're trapped there the contract is ripped up and they're on a pittance.

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Read the articles and watch the video. More than 1200 deaths from living and working in atrocious conditions.

Id rather you answer my question. Because I can assure you that your term of low pay would surprise many on here.

So come on Mr.one man cruised who goes out of his way to PM people to tell of his disgust about the topic. How much are they on ?

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

It's the U.S. firm CH2M Hill Inc. that is the major contractor - they are the ones who pressure should be put on. As well as companies such as Ove Arup.

There are thousands of engineering and construction companies who could fill their place which would mean it would take forever to lobby all of them. The answer is to lobby the footballers and fans, then one or two major footballing nations and hopefully most will follow. There is the added incentive that most will not want to play their anyway with their summer temperatures.

No other engineering company is going to fill their place, it doesn't work like that. The main contractor can't be replaced as easily as you seem to think and they certainly won't pull out of the contract at this stage through choice - it's too lucrative for them (CH2M Hill Inc).
Your don't think it's a good idea to lobby a single entity, however, you advocate lobbying thousands of players/fans and nations?

....I think I know which would be easier.

You may be right, but I'm on a football forum and any lobbying on here can only help. As to lobbying engineering companies, I wouldn't know where to start.

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

I suppose all the different country's Embassies are lying about the number of dead. Wake up this is not a left wing right wing argument it's about modern day slavery.

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

I suppose all the different country's Embassies are lying about the number of dead. Wake up this is not a left wing right wing argument it's about modern day slavery.

There you go again using terms like 'slavery' when (a) you dont know how much they are on and (b) people have a choice whether or not they want to work out there or not when in the days of real slavery they never had that choice

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

I suppose all the different country's Embassies are lying about the number of dead. Wake up this is not a left wing right wing argument it's about modern day slavery.

There you go again using terms like 'slavery' when (a) you dont know how much they are on and (b) people have a choice whether or not they want to work out there or not when in the days of real slavery they never had that choice

People are being duped, hence the expression 'modern day slavery'. Why don't you watch the video and listen to what the Nepalese government official has to say about the working conditions; the number of deaths and the facts that these people are easily duped because of poverty.

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

I suppose all the different country's Embassies are lying about the number of dead. Wake up this is not a left wing right wing argument it's about modern day slavery.

There you go again using terms like 'slavery' when (a) you dont know how much they are on and (b) people have a choice whether or not they want to work out there or not when in the days of real slavery they never had that choice

People are being duped, hence the expression 'modern day slavery'. Why don't you watch the video and listen to what the Nepalese government official has to say about the working conditions; the number of deaths and the facts that these people are easily duped because of poverty.

I would rather see with my own eyes the evidence and I know that the money they are having is a long way from slavery. So tell me how much are they on..? rather than making soundbite comments to get more hits

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

I suppose all the different country's Embassies are lying about the number of dead. Wake up this is not a left wing right wing argument it's about modern day slavery.

There you go again using terms like 'slavery' when (a) you dont know how much they are on and (b) people have a choice whether or not they want to work out there or not when in the days of real slavery they never had that choice

People are being duped, hence the expression 'modern day slavery'. Why don't you watch the video and listen to what the Nepalese government official has to say about the working conditions; the number of deaths and the facts that these people are easily duped because of poverty.

I would rather see with my own eyes the evidence and I know that the money they are having is a long way from slavery. So tell me how much are they on..? rather than making soundbite comments to get more hits

I have provided evidence ( the links are in the first post and there is further evidence in the video link provided by llandaffbluebird1), whereas your comments are nothing but conjecture.

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

I suppose all the different country's Embassies are lying about the number of dead. Wake up this is not a left wing right wing argument it's about modern day slavery.

There you go again using terms like 'slavery' when (a) you dont know how much they are on and (b) people have a choice whether or not they want to work out there or not when in the days of real slavery they never had that choice

People are being duped, hence the expression 'modern day slavery'. Why don't you watch the video and listen to what the Nepalese government official has to say about the working conditions; the number of deaths and the facts that these people are easily duped because of poverty.

I would rather see with my own eyes the evidence and I know that the money they are having is a long way from slavery. So tell me how much are they on..? rather than making soundbite comments to get more hits

I have provided evidence ( the links are in the first post and there is further evidence in the video link provided by llandaffbluebird1), whereas your comments are nothing but conjecture.

How much are they on..? For someone who is throwing accusions around and doing such a campaign you would expect to know the money they are on so come on!!! I KNOW how much they are on and its not slavery so tell me what income makes slavery for you

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

I suppose all the different country's Embassies are lying about the number of dead. Wake up this is not a left wing right wing argument it's about modern day slavery.

There you go again using terms like 'slavery' when (a) you dont know how much they are on and (b) people have a choice whether or not they want to work out there or not when in the days of real slavery they never had that choice

People are being duped, hence the expression 'modern day slavery'. Why don't you watch the video and listen to what the Nepalese government official has to say about the working conditions; the number of deaths and the facts that these people are easily duped because of poverty.

I would rather see with my own eyes the evidence and I know that the money they are having is a long way from slavery. So tell me how much are they on..? rather than making soundbite comments to get more hits

I have provided evidence ( the links are in the first post and there is further evidence in the video link provided by llandaffbluebird1), whereas your comments are nothing but conjecture.

How much are they on..? For someone who is throwing accusions around and doing such a campaign you would expect to know the money they are on so come on!!! I KNOW how much they are on and its not slavery so tell me what income makes slavery for you

Many never get paid. Read 'The dark side of migration - Amnesty International UK.
The ILO a UN body reckons that 600,000 workers in the region can be classed as victims of trafficking - The Economist Aug. 10th 2013.
Even professional footballers can get trapped in the Kafala system in Qatar. Read about Zahir Belounis a French Algerian striker who is trapped with his wife and two children without pay for almost 2 years. - James Montague, CNN, May 1st 2013.

You know that for sure do you ? If so what's their wage then and we'll compare it what Ive been able to negotiate

Your missing the point. You could negotiate £10k per week for them , but when they are there without their passports they will only get a pittance. Why do you think so many are dying? Why are their passports taken from them? Is Sharan Burrows of the International Trade Union Confederation telling Lies?

No you are missing the point by trying to support some campaign without knowing the details. All you say is 'watch the video', well hitler made films during WW2 claiming9i the camps were enjoyable places to live!!! As far as I'm swear the passports are taken off them because the sign up to a minimum contract, that's not illegal as that is what they signed up for in the first place. And are you really claiming that unions don't lie ? Lol

The bottom line is that you know f**k all about the subject and are only assuming things from so-called press reports. Especially when you claim that they are on low pay yet cant give me a figure

I suppose all the different country's Embassies are lying about the number of dead. Wake up this is not a left wing right wing argument it's about modern day slavery.

There you go again using terms like 'slavery' when (a) you dont know how much they are on and (b) people have a choice whether or not they want to work out there or not when in the days of real slavery they never had that choice

People are being duped, hence the expression 'modern day slavery'. Why don't you watch the video and listen to what the Nepalese government official has to say about the working conditions; the number of deaths and the facts that these people are easily duped because of poverty.

I would rather see with my own eyes the evidence and I know that the money they are having is a long way from slavery. So tell me how much are they on..? rather than making soundbite comments to get more hits

I have provided evidence ( the links are in the first post and there is further evidence in the video link provided by llandaffbluebird1), whereas your comments are nothing but conjecture.

How much are they on..? For someone who is throwing accusions around and doing such a campaign you would expect to know the money they are on so come on!!! I KNOW how much they are on and its not slavery so tell me what income makes slavery for you

Many never get paid. Read 'The dark side of migration - Amnesty International UK.
The ILO a UN body reckons that 600,000 workers in the region can be classed as victims of trafficking - The Economist Aug. 10th 2013.
Even professional footballers can get trapped in the Kafala system in Qatar. Read about Zahir Belounis a French Algerian striker who is trapped with his wife and two children without pay for almost 2 years. - James Montague, CNN, May 1st 2013.

Well once again its not what I am seeing with my own eyes

I have been reading about the kafala system since seeing the vimeo link that Llandaffbluebird1 posted and after many articles I have decided that Dubai will NEVER be on my travel agenda. I have listed one of the articles below:-

http://www.independant.co.uk/voices//co ... 64368.html

Sorry this link is not working . Google 'The dark side of Dubai.' - The Independent.

I have been reading about the kafala system since seeing the vimeo link that Llandaffbluebird1 posted and after many articles I have decided that Dubai will NEVER be on my travel agenda. I have listed one of the articles below:-

http://www.independant.co.uk/voices//co ... 64368.html

Sorry this link is not working . Google 'The dark side of Dubai.' - The Independent.

With the greatest of respect I am in talks with contractors over there and know how much they are getting paid which is something you CAN'T

I would rather see with my own eyes the evidence and I know that the money they are having is a long way from slavery. So tell me how much are they on..? rather than making soundbite comments to get more hits[/quote]
I have provided evidence ( the links are in the first post and there is further evidence in the video link provided by llandaffbluebird1), whereas your comments are nothing but conjecture.[/quote]


How much are they on..? For someone who is throwing accusions around and doing such a campaign you would expect to know the money they are on so come on!!! I KNOW how much they are on and its not slavery so tell me what income makes slavery for you[/quote]
Many never get paid. Read 'The dark side of migration - Amnesty International UK.
The ILO a UN body reckons that 600,000 workers in the region can be classed as victims of trafficking - The Economist Aug. 10th 2013.
Even professional footballers can get trapped in the Kafala system in Qatar. Read about Zahir Belounis a French Algerian striker who is trapped with his wife and two children without pay for almost 2 years. - James Montague, CNN, May 1st 2013.[/quote]

Well once again its not what I am seeing with my own eyes[/quote]
I'm giving you facts that can easily be replicated and from many varied sources. You have shown no facts and nothing that can be easily verified. The ILO, The Economist, CNN and Amnesty are not Micky Mouse organisations.

I would rather see with my own eyes the evidence and I know that the money they are having is a long way from slavery. So tell me how much are they on..? rather than making soundbite comments to get more hits

I have provided evidence ( the links are in the first post and there is further evidence in the video link provided by llandaffbluebird1), whereas your comments are nothing but conjecture.[/quote]


How much are they on..? For someone who is throwing accusions around and doing such a campaign you would expect to know the money they are on so come on!!! I KNOW how much they are on and its not slavery so tell me what income makes slavery for you[/quote]
Many never get paid. Read 'The dark side of migration - Amnesty International UK.
The ILO a UN body reckons that 600,000 workers in the region can be classed as victims of trafficking - The Economist Aug. 10th 2013.
Even professional footballers can get trapped in the Kafala system in Qatar. Read about Zahir Belounis a French Algerian striker who is trapped with his wife and two children without pay for almost 2 years. - James Montague, CNN, May 1st 2013.[/quote]

Well once again its not what I am seeing with my own eyes[/quote]
I'm giving you facts that can easily be replicated and from many varied sources. You have shown no facts and nothing that can be easily verified. The ILO, The Economist, CNN and Amnesty are not Micky Mouse organisations.[/quote]

I tell you what, you give me the equailant of what the protential contract is worth to me and I'll get you in under cover then you can secretly report back to whoever you want deal..?

I have been reading about the kafala system since seeing the vimeo link that Llandaffbluebird1 posted and after many articles I have decided that Dubai will NEVER be on my travel agenda. I have listed one of the articles below:-

http://www.independant.co.uk/voices//co ... 64368.html

Sorry this link is not working . Google 'The dark side of Dubai.' - The Independent.

With the greatest of respect I am in talks with contractors over there and know how much they are getting paid which is something you CAN'T

Perhaps they are not treating Western country's employees the same. If you look at the articles and watch the video then you will see that the majority of employees and deaths are from Nepal, India, Philippines, Pakistan, Malaysia, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Just because it is people from poorer countries doesn't mean that modern day slavery is OK.

I have been reading about the kafala system since seeing the vimeo link that Llandaffbluebird1 posted and after many articles I have decided that Dubai will NEVER be on my travel agenda. I have listed one of the articles below:-

http://www.independant.co.uk/voices//co ... 64368.html

Sorry this link is not working . Google 'The dark side of Dubai.' - The Independent.

With the greatest of respect I am in talks with contractors over there and know how much they are getting paid which is something you CAN'T

Perhaps they are not treating Western country's employees the same. If you look at the articles and watch the video then you will see that the majority of employees and deaths are from Nepal, India, Philippines, Pakistan, Malaysia, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Just because it is people from poorer countries doesn't mean that modern day slavery is OK.

Assumptions again. Let me put you out of your misery because I can see that you are struggling on this one and then ask yourself if its slavery.

A basic labourer is earning: £500 per week, a further £200 per week for food, free flights and accomodation and free transportation to and from site every day. All that is also TAX FREE.

Now is for just a basic labourer and allthey ask for is for youtosign up to a minimumof 6 month contract so ask yourself, is that really slavery..? I don't think so mate

I have been reading about the kafala system since seeing the vimeo link that Llandaffbluebird1 posted and after many articles I have decided that Dubai will NEVER be on my travel agenda. I have listed one of the articles below:-

http://www.independant.co.uk/voices//co ... 64368.html

Sorry this link is not working . Google 'The dark side of Dubai.' - The Independent.

With the greatest of respect I am in talks with contractors over there and know how much they are getting paid which is something you CAN'T

Perhaps they are not treating Western country's employees the same. If you look at the articles and watch the video then you will see that the majority of employees and deaths are from Nepal, India, Philippines, Pakistan, Malaysia, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Just because it is people from poorer countries doesn't mean that modern day slavery is OK.

Assumptions again. Let me put you out of your misery because I can see that you are struggling on this one and then ask yourself if its slavery.

A basic labourer is earning: £500 per week, a further £200 per week for food, free flights and accomodation and free transportation to and from site every day. All that is also TAX FREE.

Now is for just a basic labourer and allthey ask for is for youtosign up to a minimumof 6 month contract so ask yourself, is that really slavery..? I don't think so mate

You think your view of a few contractors, by someone with a vested interest, plus hearsay of a few of your clients is more reliable information than The Mirror, The Guardian, The Independent, The Economist, CNN, ITUC, IOL (a UN body) and Amnesty International, plus the Nepalese Embassy (the official states in the video the high number of deaths of young fit workers through slave like conditions). Wake up and stop digging your hole you've jumped into or are you burying your head in the sand!