O/T nigel Farage

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

Nigel is the worst one.

He spotted a gap in the market and ruthlessly exploited it to enrich himself.


That said I doubt it'll do much damage to UKIP. There's been a gap for a working class right wing party for years.

Very true, just ironic how many on here were saying how great he is

Very true, just ironic how many on here were saying how great he is

they'll come up with some other reason why he's great, they always do.

i was getting so much shit for trying to tell people how he was. I remember exactly who it was and it'll be interesting to see if they pop up in this thread

This will come as no shock. Most people would expect this from a politician. The differenceis UKIP are getting votes on policy. Nobody believes Farage is a normal bloke from down the pub. That's just spin to build him up before knocking him down.

If you honestly believed people voted for him because he's not part of the political elite then god help you. You are actually more stupid than many initially thought.



Also, if other politicians are at it why shouldn't he to put himself on an equal steading? Also, claiming expenses in such a manner does make him part of the political elite anyway so his statements still hold true.

He didn't go straight from education into politics after no or a brief spell in work. He worked in the city for many years - privileged position yes but still more in touch than Ed, Dave and Nick all of whom wouldn't know the real world if it slapped them in the face. So yes whilst he is a politician and will do these things (shock horror) there is still a world of difference between him and the rest who think academia alone means they know what the public want.

Regardless I'm voting Greens, a wasted vote, but I'm a socialist and loathe capitalism.

This will come as no shock. Most people would expect this from a politician. The differenceis UKIP are getting votes on policy. Nobody believes Farage is a normal bloke from down the pub. That's just spin to build him up before knocking him down.

If you honestly believed people voted for him because he's not part of the political elite then god help you. You are actually more stupid than many initially thought.



Also, if other politicians are at it why shouldn't he to put himself on an equal steading? Also, claiming expenses in such a manner does make him part of the political elite anyway so his statements still hold true.

He didn't go straight from education into politics after no or a brief spell in work. He worked in the city for many years - privileged position yes but still more in touch than Ed, Dave and Nick all of whom wouldn't know the real world if it slapped them in the face. So yes whilst he is a politician and will do these things (shock horror) there is still a world of difference between him and the rest who think academia alone means they know what the public want.

Regardless I'm voting Greens, a wasted vote, but I'm a socialist and loathe capitalism.

because being different from the political establishment was his whole angle!!

and i disagree that they've won votes on policy, they seem to only have one, the rest are vague ideas and soundbites, how many of their policies could you actually name?

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

And what you trying to say? Every party is at it but as it's UKIP then it's fair game. You are a bellend.

Very true, just ironic how many on here were saying how great he is

Great? He's god.

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

And what you trying to say? Every party is at it but as it's UKIP then it's fair game. You are a bellend.

no, its that UKIP made a HUUGE fuss over how everyone was at it and that was what set them apart. But it turns out that what sets them apart is that they are a single issue fringe party who have had their protest-vote-induced 5 mins in the sun. and will end up in the scrap heap of political history (basically; they are BNP 5 years ago)

Very true, just ironic how many on here were saying how great he is

they'll come up with some other reason why he's great, they always do.

i was getting so much shit for trying to tell people how he was. I remember exactly who it was and it'll be interesting to see if they pop up in this thread

Maybe you should go and live next door to Muslims and Bulgarians and then come and back and tell us your views.

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

And what you trying to say? Every party is at it but as it's UKIP then it's fair game. You are a bellend.

no, its that UKIP made a HUUGE fuss over how everyone was at it and that was what set them apart. But it turns out that what sets them apart is that they are a single issue fringe party who have had their protest-vote-induced 5 mins in the sun. and will end up in the scrap heap of political history (basically; they are BNP 5 years ago)

Utter tosh. UKIP will take seats in the general election and will be the 3rd biggest party. People like you are making the UK a vile place to live in.

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

And what you trying to say? Every party is at it but as it's UKIP then it's fair game. You are a bellend.

no, its that UKIP made a HUUGE fuss over how everyone was at it and that was what set them apart. But it turns out that what sets them apart is that they are a single issue fringe party who have had their protest-vote-induced 5 mins in the sun. and will end up in the scrap heap of political history (basically; they are BNP 5 years ago)

Utter tosh. UKIP will take seats in the general election and will be the 3rd biggest party. People like you are making the UK a vile place to live in.

what do you mean people like me? people who have their own opinions? people who disagree with you? or people who can see a pattern in politics?

you might think UKIP will take seats in the GE, thats fine, i don't think they will personally, if they do it will be a few (i mean, the green party has seats) but to say that "people like me" make this country a vile place to live in, considering that you've judge me on all of 2 posts on a forum, alude to your intelligence levels somewhat

Very true, just ironic how many on here were saying how great he is

they'll come up with some other reason why he's great, they always do.

i was getting so much shit for trying to tell people how he was. I remember exactly who it was and it'll be interesting to see if they pop up in this thread

Maybe you should go and live next door to Muslims and Bulgarians and then come and back and tell us your views.

Oh dear.

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

And what you trying to say? Every party is at it but as it's UKIP then it's fair game. You are a bellend.

no, its that UKIP made a HUUGE fuss over how everyone was at it and that was what set them apart. But it turns out that what sets them apart is that they are a single issue fringe party who have had their protest-vote-induced 5 mins in the sun. and will end up in the scrap heap of political history (basically; they are BNP 5 years ago)

Utter tosh. UKIP will take seats in the general election and will be the 3rd biggest party. People like you are making the UK a vile place to live in.

what do you mean people like me? people who have their own opinions? people who disagree with you? or people who can see a pattern in politics?

you might think UKIP will take seats in the GE, thats fine, i don't think they will personally, if they do it will be a few (i mean, the green party has seats) but to say that "people like me" make this country a vile place to live in, considering that you've judge me on all of 2 posts on a forum, alude to your intelligence levels somewhat

What do you mean I've judged you on two posts? Because I'm not online doesn't mean I'm not viewing the forum and have read your responses to other posters so I know what side of the argument you are taking. I know what opinion you take and you're the type just like Labour/Liberal desecrates who live in the fantasy world that think the UK is great and people who vote UKIP are a bunch of closet racists.

The reason why Great Britain is in such a mess is because of the loony left which by going by your posts indicates that you have no problems with immigration.

Very true, just ironic how many on here were saying how great he is

they'll come up with some other reason why he's great, they always do.

i was getting so much shit for trying to tell people how he was. I remember exactly who it was and it'll be interesting to see if they pop up in this thread

Maybe you should go and live next door to Muslims and Bulgarians and then come and back and tell us your views.

Oh dear.

Oh yes.

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

And what you trying to say? Every party is at it but as it's UKIP then it's fair game. You are a bellend.

no, its that UKIP made a HUUGE fuss over how everyone was at it and that was what set them apart. But it turns out that what sets them apart is that they are a single issue fringe party who have had their protest-vote-induced 5 mins in the sun. and will end up in the scrap heap of political history (basically; they are BNP 5 years ago)

Utter tosh. UKIP will take seats in the general election and will be the 3rd biggest party. People like you are making the UK a vile place to live in.

what do you mean people like me? people who have their own opinions? people who disagree with you? or people who can see a pattern in politics?

you might think UKIP will take seats in the GE, thats fine, i don't think they will personally, if they do it will be a few (i mean, the green party has seats) but to say that "people like me" make this country a vile place to live in, considering that you've judge me on all of 2 posts on a forum, alude to your intelligence levels somewhat

What do you mean I've judged you on two posts? Because I'm not online doesn't mean I'm not viewing the forum and have read your responses to other posters so I know what side of the argument you are taking. I know what opinion you take and you're the type just like Labour/Liberal desecrates who live in the fantasy world that think the UK is great and people who vote UKIP are a bunch of closet racists.

The reason why Great Britain is in such a mess is because of the loony left which by going by your posts indicates that you have no problems with immigration.

you clearly havent read my posts.

ive said numerous times that although i dont agree with UKIP, the people who vote for them arent inherently racist (many times i've stated that its more reactionary than anything else, people who wouldn't vote UKIP if the political establishment was more stable)

also i've never said i have no problem with immigration. I just don't think its the biggest problem in the country.

so yeah, you've judged me on a few more than 2 posts...which you obviously didn't read at all, have me confused with someone else maybe?

also i've never said i have no problem with immigration. I just don't think its the biggest problem in the country.

You see, that's where the problem lies and that's what is causing so much tension across the country and communities as people are seeing their communities changing before their eyes. It's ok for politicians to say it's not the case because they live they in the political bubble whereas they don't encounter what mass immigration is causing to local communities, ie, David Cameron living in number 10, Ed Milliband living in Primrose Hill north London whereas he's only like see white posh people, streets are cleaned daily, no trouble. I'd love for these geeks to live in Muslim areas for a week or two but it wouldn't happen as they'd be calling police within 6 hours

also i've never said i have no problem with immigration. I just don't think its the biggest problem in the country.

You see, that's where the problem lies and that's what is causing so much tension across the country and communities as people are seeing their communities changing before their eyes. It's ok for politicians to say it's not the case because they live they in the political bubble whereas they don't encounter what mass immigration is causing to local communities, ie, David Cameron living in number 10, Ed Milliband living in Primrose Hill north London whereas he's only like see white posh people, streets are cleaned daily, no trouble. I'd love for these geeks to live in Muslim areas for a week or two but it wouldn't happen as they'd be calling police within 6 hours

i've lived in central cardiff all of my life, it has a high muslim population and the only problems i've had are with white british people.
but thats my experience, i also know what the government gives to immigrants on benifits is nothing compared to what it gives needlessly to the MOD and to non means tested pensioners (as it it pays everyone the same pension, even millionairs who don't need it) and for me that is a bigger problem.

same with the economy, many blame immigrants and labour despite the fact that only 6 years ago we hit GLOBAL recession. I just think its an easy target and not a large problem in the country.

but thats not what we're talking about is it? we're talking about the leader of said party doing EXACTLY what he lambasted the "mainstream" parties for. Im actually surprised, he must have known it would have been looked in to, surprised he was that short sighted.

I personally don't mind seeing my community change if its for the better. Many muslims in my area are somali and their families have been in britain longer than mine, but because my family are white to begin with we don't get attacked/singled out

because being different from the political establishment was his whole angle!!

and he still is? one action alone does not close the gap between the normal members of society and the political establishment of which you are claiming. Of course he is not a normal person but he is also not part of the political establishment in the same way the leaders of the three other parties are - only a quick check into the history of each will help distinguish the obvious difference. Sorry, but there is still a world of difference between Farage and the other three regardless of this latest discovery.

and i disagree that they've won votes on policy, they seem to only have one, the rest are vague ideas and soundbites, how many of their policies could you actually name?

Loads from their last manifesto (which has been scrapped) although I will admit I, unlike a lot of people, have a vested interest in politics so I'm bound to know them.

1. VISA's and work permits for all migrants
2. Scrapping HS2
3. Part privatisation of the NHS
4. Devolution in many areas slashing the vastly inflated public sector and middle management jobs
5. Bringing back of grammar schools
6. Flat tax (now scrapped for 2015)

I could go on and on but its pointless as their previous manifesto has been scrapped and the new one is out in September I believe.

I can name a few of their newer ones

1. Scrapping 45p tax rate for earners over £150,000
2. No tax on minimum wage and raising the threshold to just over £12k
3. A grammar school in every town/city
4. Remove mass middle management in the public sector (inflated)
5. Withdrawal from the EU (obvious this policy will remain)
6. VISA's and work permits for all migrants (obvious this policy will remain)
7. Cutting of foreign aid (obvious this policy will remain
8. Investment in the fisheries to boost tourism along the coastlines of the UK which currently dont happen due to ridiculous and overzealous EU regulations - thats why southern England voted massively in favour of UKIP in the EU elections because industry down there has taken a massive hit - Southern England was predominantly Lib Dem before - the most pro EU party.

Most UKIP voters vote on policy and are not as stupid as the political elite claim. The political elite have tried to sweep serious issues like immigration, the EU, education, public sector inflation and so forth under the rug for years. Labour throw about pathetic buzzwords like socialism and Ed claims he's bringing it back which is nonsense as he's a little Tory boy and the Tories only care about the economy.

I'm a socialist and will vote Green but I'd take a Farage's Britain over a Britain under the other three any day of the week. The other three want wage compression to drive down salaries and force people to the bottom of the breadline, mass uncontrolled immigration allows multinationals to pick and play job applicants off against one another and better themselves - this favours the rich who in turn are happy to continue voting for them. Why do you think most papers are Labour/Tory biased? A quick check of Wikipedia will tell you each news sources bias and the reason is because these parties favour the rich and suit them.

Farage is more for the poor than the other three. His plan is to save money from EU and foreign commitments and invest back at home. He wants to make Britain on the whole wealthy at the expense of the EU/ROW. He will also slash the tax rate to the optimal 40% (proven by research) to bring in investment from abroad and create jobs.

If you're on minimum wage and/or a low earner and you vote for the Lib Dems/Labour/Cons as opposed to the Greens/UKIP then it begs the question 'what are you doing?' - You will be better off under UKIP or the Greens.

I have far more respect for UKIP voters than the voters of the other three who are all in favour of the rich and Europe as opposed to the poor in the UK.

A teacher currently gets taxed on £12,500 of their earnings leaving them with £18,254.72 take home.

Under UKIP's proposals they'd get taxed on £10,000 as the threshold is roughly £2k higher. That would leave me hundreds of pounds better off. This money can go on spending to enable economic growth as its proven people with more disposable income spend more.

The only losers if UKIP are elected will be EU countries who wont get our money for EU projects (a lot of which goes into corrupt governments anyway/the fat EU bureaucrats in Brussels who do nothing other than force regulations on us to dictate to us how we should live and the rest of the world where we donate foreign aid.

Foreign aid is a great thing but sorry when you have issues at home people at home should come first. We should not be solving other countries problems at the expense of our own. Teachers deserve more pay. Police officers deserve more pay. The poorer/middle class keeping more of their income is a great thing for personal reasons (security/stability/health as it takes away stress - hundreds of pounds can be the difference between paying your bills or not - defaulting on your mortgage or not - this is real life and the three main parties dont care about such.

Let me ask you a question, why do you think UKIP are suddenly sweeping up much of the Labour vote and non voters who used to vote Labour during their socialist days? Its because so many realise under UKIP they'd be better off (including pensioners) at the expense of the EU and thats why UKIP are a growing force up north and people like Nuttall are gaining more and more recognition.

because being different from the political establishment was his whole angle!!

and he still is? one action alone does not close the gap between the normal members of society and the political establishment of which you are claiming. Of course he is not a normal person but he is also not part of the political establishment in the same way the leaders of the three other parties are - only a quick check into the history of each will help distinguish the obvious difference. Sorry, but there is still a world of difference between Farage and the other three regardless of this latest discovery.

and i disagree that they've won votes on policy, they seem to only have one, the rest are vague ideas and soundbites, how many of their policies could you actually name?

Loads from their last manifesto (which has been scrapped) although I will admit I, unlike a lot of people, have a vested interest in politics so I'm bound to know them.

1. VISA's and work permits for all migrants
2. Scrapping HS2
3. Part privatisation of the NHS
4. Devolution in many areas slashing the vastly inflated public sector and middle management jobs
5. Bringing back of grammar schools
6. Flat tax (now scrapped for 2015)

I could go on and on but its pointless as their previous manifesto has been scrapped and the new one is out in September I believe.

I can name a few of their newer ones

1. Scrapping 45p tax rate for earners over £150,000
2. No tax on minimum wage and raising the threshold to just over £12k
3. A grammar school in every town/city
4. Remove mass middle management in the public sector (inflated)
5. Withdrawal from the EU (obvious this policy will remain)
6. VISA's and work permits for all migrants (obvious this policy will remain)
7. Cutting of foreign aid (obvious this policy will remain
8. Investment in the fisheries to boost tourism along the coastlines of the UK which currently dont happen due to ridiculous and overzealous EU regulations - thats why southern England voted massively in favour of UKIP in the EU elections because industry down there has taken a massive hit - Southern England was predominantly Lib Dem before - the most pro EU party.

Most UKIP voters vote on policy and are not as stupid as the political elite claim. The political elite have tried to sweep serious issues like immigration, the EU, education, public sector inflation and so forth under the rug for years. Labour throw about pathetic buzzwords like socialism and Ed claims he's bringing it back which is nonsense as he's a little Tory boy and the Tories only care about the economy.

I'm a socialist and will vote Green but I'd take a Farage's Britain over a Britain under the other three any day of the week. The other three want wage compression to drive down salaries and force people to the bottom of the breadline, mass uncontrolled immigration allows multinationals to pick and play job applicants off against one another and better themselves - this favours the rich who in turn are happy to continue voting for them. Why do you think most papers are Labour/Tory biased? A quick check of Wikipedia will tell you each news sources bias and the reason is because these parties favour the rich and suit them.

Farage is more for the poor than the other three. His plan is to save money from EU and foreign commitments and invest back at home. He wants to make Britain on the whole wealthy at the expense of the EU/ROW. He will also slash the tax rate to the optimal 40% (proven by research) to bring in investment from abroad and create jobs.

If you're on minimum wage and/or a low earner and you vote for the Lib Dems/Labour/Cons as opposed to the Greens/UKIP then it begs the question 'what are you doing?' - You will be better off under UKIP or the Greens.

I have far more respect for UKIP voters than the voters of the other three who are all in favour of the rich and Europe as opposed to the poor in the UK.

A teacher currently gets taxed on £12,500 of their earnings leaving them with £18,254.72 take home.

Under UKIP's proposals they'd get taxed on £10,000 as the threshold is roughly £2k higher. That would leave me hundreds of pounds better off. This money can go on spending to enable economic growth as its proven people with more disposable income spend more.

The only losers if UKIP are elected will be EU countries who wont get our money for EU projects (a lot of which goes into corrupt governments anyway/the fat EU bureaucrats in Brussels who do nothing other than force regulations on us to dictate to us how we should live and the rest of the world where we donate foreign aid.

Foreign aid is a great thing but sorry when you have issues at home people at home should come first. We should not be solving other countries problems at the expense of our own. Teachers deserve more pay. Police officers deserve more pay. The poorer/middle class keeping more of their income is a great thing for personal reasons (security/stability/health as it takes away stress - hundreds of pounds can be the difference between paying your bills or not - defaulting on your mortgage or not - this is real life and the three main parties dont care about such.

Let me ask you a question, why do you think UKIP are suddenly sweeping up much of the Labour vote and non voters who used to vote Labour during their socialist days? Its because so many realise under UKIP they'd be better off (including pensioners) at the expense of the EU and thats why UKIP are a growing force up north and people like Nuttall are gaining more and more recognition.

If you was a politician then you'd get my vote

Well fought out and well put post. Post of the year

i've lived in central cardiff all of my life, it has a high muslim population and the only problems i've had are with white british people.

Yes many of whom have been forced out of work by wage compression which is thanks to free movement and multinationals being able to use the mass competition in terms of job applicants to their advantage. Less applicants means more room to negotiate. 500 people from across Europe going for the same job? Minimum wage of else someone else will do it. Free movement favours multinationals and people, both British and migrants who've settled here miss out.

but thats my experience, i also know what the government gives to immigrants on benifits is nothing compared to what it gives needlessly to the MOD and to non means tested pensioners (as it it pays everyone the same pension, even millionairs who don't need it) and for me that is a bigger problem.

That does need to change too but the main issue is the one highlighted above. Wage compression has already driven many Spanish youngsters out of employment.

same with the economy, many blame immigrants and labour despite the fact that only 6 years ago we hit GLOBAL recession. I just think its an easy target and not a large problem in the country.

Immigrants aren't the problem. The problem is the EU and free movement which has been abused by multinationals to drive down wages and force people on to lower wages. This is why many skilled people sod off abroad like they did years ago and we had a massive shortage of doctors. They all went to Australia and other countries where they got a better salary/cost of living balance - this led to us needing many migrant doctors from places like India to cover the skills shortages.

but thats not what we're talking about is it? we're talking about the leader of said party doing EXACTLY what he lambasted the "mainstream" parties for. Im actually surprised, he must have known it would have been looked in to, surprised he was that short sighted.

Again, its hardly a shock that a politician has done such. If you are surprised by such you're incredibly naive.

I personally don't mind seeing my community change if its for the better. Many muslims in my area are somali and their families have been in britain longer than mine, but because my family are white to begin with we don't get attacked/singled out

Neither do I but the EU (the signing of the Treaty of Paris, Maastricht, Lisbon has helped create the very monster we didn't want.

I voted UKIP in the Euro elections but was not aware of this.

But the UKIP MEP for Wales & his family have a dubious record.

http://jacothenorth.net/blog/nathan-gil ... an-honest/

http://jacothenorth.net/blog/nathan-gil ... ets-worse/

I voted UKIP in the Euro elections but was not aware of this.

But the UKIP MEP for Wales & his family have a dubious record.

http://jacothenorth.net/blog/nathan-gil ... an-honest/

http://jacothenorth.net/blog/nathan-gil ... ets-worse/

The political elite are always dishonest towards to the British electorate but I'd always back UKIP as they aren't no dishonest than the three main parties

i've lived in central cardiff all of my life, it has a high muslim population and the only problems i've had are with white british people.

Yes many of whom have been forced out of work by wage compression which is thanks to free movement and multinationals being able to use the mass competition in terms of job applicants to their advantage. Less applicants means more room to negotiate. 500 people from across Europe going for the same job? Minimum wage of else someone else will do it. Free movement favours multinationals and people, both British and migrants who've settled here miss out.

but thats my experience, i also know what the government gives to immigrants on benifits is nothing compared to what it gives needlessly to the MOD and to non means tested pensioners (as it it pays everyone the same pension, even millionairs who don't need it) and for me that is a bigger problem.

That does need to change too but the main issue is the one highlighted above. Wage compression has already driven many Spanish youngsters out of employment.

same with the economy, many blame immigrants and labour despite the fact that only 6 years ago we hit GLOBAL recession. I just think its an easy target and not a large problem in the country.

Immigrants aren't the problem. The problem is the EU and free movement which has been abused by multinationals to drive down wages and force people on to lower wages. This is why many skilled people sod off abroad like they did years ago and we had a massive shortage of doctors. They all went to Australia and other countries where they got a better salary/cost of living balance - this led to us needing many migrant doctors from places like India to cover the skills shortages.

but thats not what we're talking about is it? we're talking about the leader of said party doing EXACTLY what he lambasted the "mainstream" parties for. Im actually surprised, he must have known it would have been looked in to, surprised he was that short sighted.

Again, its hardly a shock that a politician has done such. If you are surprised by such you're incredibly naive.

I personally don't mind seeing my community change if its for the better. Many muslims in my area are somali and their families have been in britain longer than mine, but because my family are white to begin with we don't get attacked/singled out

Neither do I but the EU (the signing of the Treaty of Paris, Maastricht, Lisbon has helped create the very monster we didn't want.

i'm in work so i cant respond to all of this (not that i dont want to, you clearly have your head screwed on in this subject so it would be nice to have a proper discussion without me being called a "loony leftie" and you being called a racist)

but just to keep it on topic. i'm not surprised that he's done this. But the people who voted for him should be, as i've said before he won over a very many people simply by turning and saying "i'm not the political establishment, i'm different". obviously me and you know that the lines are far blurrier than that. But expenses was one of the main points with which NF would use to propel himself above the mainstream parties, and now this, so soon after an election, could turn all those who don't know his policies inside out like you do against him. (not that they have a great many other places to turn).

and a quick word on wage compression, i'm of the belief that minimum wage reform can actually turn the tide without expelling potentially skillful people from the country.

genuinly wish i could give a response to your other points as well, i'm sure id be conceeding a few points to ukip (re: a few policies that i wasn't aware of)

i'm in work so i cant respond to all of this (not that i dont want to, you clearly have your head screwed on in this subject so it would be nice to have a proper discussion without me being called a "loony leftie" and you being called a racist)

but just to keep it on topic. i'm not surprised that he's done this. But the people who voted for him should be, as i've said before he won over a very many people simply by turning and saying "i'm not the political establishment, i'm different". obviously me and you know that the lines are far blurrier than that. But expenses was one of the main points with which NF would use to propel himself above the mainstream parties, and now this, so soon after an election, could turn all those who don't know his policies inside out like you do against him. (not that they have a great many other places to turn).

and a quick word on wage compression, i'm of the belief that minimum wage reform can actually turn the tide without expelling potentially skillful people from the country.

genuinly wish i could give a response to your other points as well, i'm sure id be conceeding a few points to ukip (re: a few policies that i wasn't aware of)

I agree with you to be honest on the leftie/racist thing. Its got way out of hand.

On wage compression I'm of the opinion free movement has to be done away with and we adopt a system similar to Canada's system.

This would close the door to free migration to the UK and wouldn't play into the hands of big businesses.

1. We introduce work permits and VISA's
2. Businesses have to offer jobs to British people first
3. If they then prove there is a skills shortage or lack of applicants they can seek permission to advertise outside of the country and after conducting interviews grant sponsorship, permits and VISA's for xyz period of time

The system Canada adopts makes it harder to employ those outside the country but not impossible. It encourages national employment then gives permission to employ elsewhere if there is no demand. Companies in Canada often don't bother because of costs of having to go through the interview process multiple times and having to prove it. Only if it is vital they need a professional from elsewhere will they do such a thing. There's a list on Canada's government website that shows what professions are in demand and if you are one of them you are more likely to be granted entry.

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=832079

Of course, the system due to the way it was implemented is not foolproof either and has been abused with temporary VISA's but this is to be tightened up again. However, this has not led to wage compression because people in Canada are only competing with fellow Canadian citizens in the first round of interviews. A smaller pool to initially select from puts more power in terms of negotiation back into the hands of the applicant as opposed to the company.

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

And what you trying to say? Every party is at it but as it's UKIP then it's fair game. You are a bellend.

Love the way you always use insults you sound very edcucated

So many on here said how farage was there to shake up the establishment now he is being investigated for improper donations just like the established parties...

And what you trying to say? Every party is at it but as it's UKIP then it's fair game. You are a bellend.

Love the way you always use insults you sound very edcucated

Just as educated as the next chap

It could be worse he could be responsible for the death of millions of Iraqis and hundreds of British soldiers like your beloved Tony Blair and UKIP are the racists? Labour party are war mongering scum.

By the way he hasn't done anything wrong yet, he's being investigated. Typical of you to jump the gun. I'll report you to the police for murdering my cat, they will then investigate you and in your perverse world that = GUILT.

Well let me put this into the frame then for you all to laugh at the possibility:

Before I had my public argument with UKIP there was a verbel agreement that as I was the second highest UKIP politician in Wales (the first being the previous Welsh MEP) then I would have automatically been their next in line for the Euro seat. This was the real reason why I switched to them in the first place. So if I kept my mouth shut then I could have being doing my AAMB posts from inside the European Parliament!!! Lol

I'm not a big fan on immigration, HOWEVER...Britain needs more skilled workers, so why don't we follow the Aussies system? Bare in mind Britain created Australia. I don't want to pull out of the EU and the EU wants us to stay, so we have the advantage. We could say we want these certain powers back Yada Yada Yada. And I think we'd get them.

But with UKIP, they would put this country back in the 50s essentially. They won votes by focusing on immigration. I've talked to UKIP supporters why they voted UKIP and they said "cause of the immigrants". What they don't realise is, UKIP want to privatise the nhs (how will the poor pay for healthcare?), get rid of maternity and paternity pay and get rid of the Human Rights Act.

Would you really vote for that?

Personally I'd like to see Britain follow the Swiss constituentally. Recently there was a referendum on whether or not Switzerland should pay 2.8billion euros on fighter jets from Sweden which would come out of the education budget. The people voted no. That's real democracy, that's what I'd like to see in Britain.

Personally, I'd like Britain to be back as a major player in the world again, at the moment we're a joke. The f*cking Chinese government (who hack BRITISH companies on an industrial scale) will have a major stake in our new nuclear plants when they're built. We should own them. I'd like to see the railway network re-nationalised but it won't happen due to the cost of buying them back.

Wishful thinking in getting true democracy but why not?