Labour Voters

Corbyn or Smith?

I have been very supportive of Jeremy Corbyn. I want to see Labour go back to its traditional position as a genuine socialist alternative, not simply exist as an ever so slightly less unpleasant version of the Tories.

I have however found that Owen Smith has been growing on me. He appears to be trying to steer his leadership campaign towards the left, presume it trying to entice those such as myself who have become disenfranchised with Labour since New Labour and Blair.

As much as I agree with Corbyns politics, I have to admit that he is unconvincing as a leader. Smith however speaks Bert well and seems to have what it takes to lead the party. With him in charge, it may also pull voters in South Wales back from ukip.

Any other members on here decided who they will go for?

Corbyn or Smith?

I have been very supportive of Jeremy Corbyn. I want to see Labour go back to its traditional position as a genuine socialist alternative, not simply exist as an ever so slightly less unpleasant version of the Tories.

I have however found that Owen Smith has been growing on me. He appears to be trying to steer his leadership campaign towards the left, presume it trying to entice those such as myself who have become disenfranchised with Labour since New Labour and Blair.

As much as I agree with Corbyns politics, I have to admit that he is unconvincing as a leader. Smith however speaks Bert well and seems to have what it takes to lead the party. With him in charge, it may also pull voters in South Wales back from ukip.

Any other members on here decided who they will go for?

Smith wants a 2nd referendum that will not sit well with labour supporter's

I voting for Owen Smith. He seems to be the best option although he is going to get slaughtered over the £200billion borrowing policy.

That said I agree with it and think that austerity has had it's day. Putting investment into infrastructure is a no brainer as is giving workers better pay and protection.

Jeremy Corbyn. I don't even have to think twice about it.

Corbyn or Smith?

I have been very supportive of Jeremy Corbyn. I want to see Labour go back to its traditional position as a genuine socialist alternative, not simply exist as an ever so slightly less unpleasant version of the Tories.

I have however found that Owen Smith has been growing on me. He appears to be trying to steer his leadership campaign towards the left, presume it trying to entice those such as myself who have become disenfranchised with Labour since New Labour and Blair.

As much as I agree with Corbyns politics, I have to admit that he is unconvincing as a leader. Smith however speaks Bert well and seems to have what it takes to lead the party. With him in charge, it may also pull voters in South Wales back from ukip.

Any other members on here decided who they will go for?

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Vote trump. I've had enough of these f*cking Mexicans coming over here and taking our jobs.

Smith wants a 2nd referendum that will not sit well with labour supporter's

Apart from the fact the majority of Labour voters backed remain?

Nearly two thirds of Labour and SNP voters (63% and 64%), seven in ten Liberal Democrats and three quarters of Greens, voted to remain.

Corbyn for me

Smith wants a 2nd referendum that will not sit well with labour supporter's

Apart from the fact the majority of Labour voters backed remain?

Nearly two thirds of Labour and SNP voters (63% and 64%), seven in ten Liberal Democrats and three quarters of Greens, voted to remain.

But as you know Owain there are two types of Labour voter. The metropolitan elites and champagne socialists found in the cities and those found in the old industrial areas in the Valleys and the North. The latter areas all voted to leave the EU. UKIP are taking the Valleys and the North by storm, these are the voters they need to try and keep hold of. Stop pandering to the Islington cliques.

Both are hard to the left and the UK needs a viable alternative to the Conservatives but I'm sceptical about both of them for very different reasons

Owen Smith is an opportunist, who has seized his chance well and may yet surprise a few people. His spending policy could take us back many years but I guess it could be argued it needs to be done if we are to have the infrastructure required to take this country (i.e. the UK) forward. However, he has today shown himself to be a little naive with his comments on Angela May and that should worry anyone who believes diplomacy is a key word in politics. Blind ambition is a term that comes to mind

Jeremy Corbyn (somewhat sadly) does not have the confidence of the Parliamentary Labour Party and that, to me, is a huge issue. If they (the people the rest of the Labour voters sent to represent them) don't believe he is the man to lead them in either policy or election, then I find it hard to understand how he has any credibility in his current position. Additionally, his views on Trident go against his Party Policy and that could potentially be exploited by the unscrupulous

Worse IMHO are those new 'members' who have suddenly jumped on the leadership vote bandwagon, as I see this as rather mischievous given that the majority of these people have either (a) not been Labour Party Members before, or (b) have previously abandoned their so-called Party during previous years. Put simply, these people don't deserve a vote in such circumstances

I'm not a Labour Party Member and won't be voting, but on balance (and to answer the original question) I think as it stands, Owen Smith is the better choice; but only because Corbyn is the proverbial busted flush within his own PLP

Smith wants a 2nd referendum that will not sit well with labour supporter's

Apart from the fact the majority of Labour voters backed remain?

Nearly two thirds of Labour and SNP voters (63% and 64%), seven in ten Liberal Democrats and three quarters of Greens, voted to remain.

How do you know that ? those figures are from polls you do know that ,98% of voters don't want a 2nd referendum Do you belive that ?

Smith wants a 2nd referendum that will not sit well with labour supporter's

Apart from the fact the majority of Labour voters backed remain?

Nearly two thirds of Labour and SNP voters (63% and 64%), seven in ten Liberal Democrats and three quarters of Greens, voted to remain.

But as you know Owain there are two types of Labour voter. The metropolitan elites and champagne socialists found in the cities and those found in the old industrial areas in the Valleys and the North. The latter areas all voted to leave the EU. UKIP are taking the Valleys and the North by storm, these are the voters they need to try and keep hold of. Stop pandering to the Islington cliques.

I disagree on some of your posts on the City, but you're spot on here.

I'm a socialist. I'm not afraid to admit it. And that's why I support Corbyn, and will vote for him.

With there hard left stance Labour is a dead duck. And that is bad for the country. They will never get elected whilst they have loony beliefs.

With there hard left stance Labour is a dead duck. And that is bad for the country. They will never get elected whilst they have loony beliefs.

other parties chance especially ukip in the north of England and south Wales valleys ,labour are in a right mess the eu referendum showed how out of touch they are with there normally core supporters

Labour will take a minimum of 10 years to get out of the mess they are in.

Labour will take a minimum of 10 years to get out of the mess they are in.

The question must be asked whether there'll be a Labour Party in ten years time? I say that as a Labour member for many years and a Corbyn supporter.

Smith wants a 2nd referendum that will not sit well with labour supporter's

Apart from the fact the majority of Labour voters backed remain?

Nearly two thirds of Labour and SNP voters (63% and 64%), seven in ten Liberal Democrats and three quarters of Greens, voted to remain.

But as you know Owain there are two types of Labour voter. The metropolitan elites and champagne socialists found in the cities and those found in the old industrial areas in the Valleys and the North. The latter areas all voted to leave the EU. UKIP are taking the Valleys and the North by storm, these are the voters they need to try and keep hold of. Stop pandering to the Islington cliques.

I disagree on some of your posts on the City, but you're spot on here.

I'm a socialist. I'm not afraid to admit it. And that's why I support Corbyn, and will vote for him.

Problem is Corbyn will never get elected. You can understand the position of the PLP if you watched the way he was hammered by Theresa May at PMQ's last week. Before that David Cameron regularly made him look stupid and frankly he is not up to the job.

We are all socialists deep down put what is the point if Labour can't get elected? Even a Blair type Government is better than any so called 'compassionate Tory' Government. If we (by that I mean Labour) have any hope of getting back into power and undoing the evil of the Tories then we have to play it clever again and not have a latter day Michael Foot leading us into disaster.

Smith wants a 2nd referendum that will not sit well with labour supporter's

Apart from the fact the majority of Labour voters backed remain?

Nearly two thirds of Labour and SNP voters (63% and 64%), seven in ten Liberal Democrats and three quarters of Greens, voted to remain.

But as you know Owain there are two types of Labour voter. The metropolitan elites and champagne socialists found in the cities and those found in the old industrial areas in the Valleys and the North. The latter areas all voted to leave the EU. UKIP are taking the Valleys and the North by storm, these are the voters they need to try and keep hold of. Stop pandering to the Islington cliques.

Come the next election the chickens will come home to roost and Wales will return a vast majority of Labour or PC MP's to Westminster.

But that won't be enough as Labour still needs to appeal to 'Dagenham man' as it used to be described. This is blue collar workers in well paid jobs who might fear higher taxation or economic collapse and will be the natural target for project fear from the Tories if Corbyn is leading Labour at the next election.

Labour does need a 'slight' shift to the left but not so much as to leave behind the voters it needs to get elected.

Labour are a party in decline, they have become totally out of touch with the people.

Labour are a party in decline, they have become totally out of touch with the people.

totally agree but still some of the loony left think they aren't

If true why do you find it hilarious?