Bluebirds set to be Swans?

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Will the rebrand know no end?!?!?!

FYI your signature should say 'WALES' ONLY' Not 'WALES ONLY' it doesn't make sense the way you've put it.

Wanting the Swansea BLUEprint is hardly original as all SMALL teams want that model. C'mon Tan, dream to do it your way

Wanting the Swansea BLUEprint is hardly original as all SMALL teams want that model. C'mon Tan, dream to do it your way

As much as it kills you inside , the swans way of doing things gets a lot of praise from bigger much more established teams. in our first season in Pl i don't think a single manager didn't swoon over us and say how we done things the right way , and that goes for the pundits too .

So you keep telling yourself only the "SMALL" teams want our model but in truth you`re saying that through bitterness and not through the truth , which is you would love to be run like us .

Doing it the right way !

Wanting the Swansea BLUEprint is hardly original as all SMALL teams want that model. C'mon Tan, dream to do it your way

As much as it kills you inside , the swans way of doing things gets a lot of praise from bigger much more established teams. in our first season in Pl i don't think a single manager didn't swoon over us and say how we done things the right way , and that goes for the pundits too .

So you keep telling yourself only the "SMALL" teams want our model but in truth you`re saying that through bitterness and not through the truth , which is you would love to be run like us .

Doing it the right way !

no thanks havnt seen one other club trying to do it swansea's way! they are not pure as is made out!!

First thing Monday morning on Cardiff City forum you sad sad b*stard

I understand the reaction that it's Swansea but taking the blue blinkers off for a moment and come up with a club based on a similar or better model .The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term .It's taken Swansea 10 or less years to get to this stage ,there are not many Clubs out there with that amount of stability and a clear vision on what it wants .

The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term.

You've had far more managers than we have over recent seasons

Secondly, buying/selling players on a whim? What are you on about? Again, haven't you just had a rather big transformation of your squad?

What a whopper.

Wanting the Swansea BLUEprint is hardly original as all SMALL teams want that model. C'mon Tan, dream to do it your way

As much as it kills you inside , the swans way of doing things gets a lot of praise from bigger much more established teams. in our first season in Pl i don't think a single manager didn't swoon over us and say how we done things the right way , and that goes for the pundits too .

So you keep telling yourself only the "SMALL" teams want our model but in truth you`re saying that through bitterness and not through the truth , which is you would love to be run like us .

Doing it the right way !

Tan doesn't have the knowledge to run a club like Huw Jenkins so the model cannot be identical. D.O.F was the most sensible way forward to allow football people make all the decisions, but is now 3 years too late and now chasing semi-unrealistic objectives, rather than letting a long-term strategy like Swansea bare fruit.

a rush to get to PL with no afterthought for the long term.

The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term.

You've had far more managers than we have over recent seasons

Secondly, buying/selling players on a whim? What are you on about? Again, haven't you just had a rather big transformation of your squad?

What a whopper.

isnt it 6 managers in 9 years they've had? give or take a year changing squads is always an ongoing process, but swapping managers so frequently doesnt sound like a stable set up? playing wise yes but each to there own mmmm

The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term.

You've had far more managers than we have over recent seasons

Secondly, buying/selling players on a whim? What are you on about? Again, haven't you just had a rather big transformation of your squad?

What a whopper.

isnt it 6 managers in 9 years they've had? give or take a year changing squads is always an ongoing process, but swapping managers so frequently doesnt sound like a stable set up? playing wise yes but each to there own mmmm

Why do you bother mate , seriously

Wanting the Swansea BLUEprint is hardly original as all SMALL teams want that model. C'mon Tan, dream to do it your way

He is doing it his way you silly quim , and you're quite right the SMALL teams can look how we've succeeded and it will give then a blueprint to work too
Classic calling for tan to do it his way then putting in loads of bluescarf smileys

The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term.

You've had far more managers than we have over recent seasons

Secondly, buying/selling players on a whim? What are you on about? Again, haven't you just had a rather big transformation of your squad?

What a whopper.

isnt it 6 managers in 9 years they've had? give or take a year changing squads is always an ongoing process, but swapping managers so frequently doesnt sound like a stable set up? playing wise yes but each to there own mmmm

Ha ha another corker from Pembroke Allan ..... Sounds a funny little man

Wanting the Swansea BLUEprint is hardly original as all SMALL teams want that model. C'mon Tan, dream to do it your way

He is doing it his way you silly quim , and you're quite right the SMALL teams can look how we've succeeded and it will give then a blueprint to work too
Classic calling for tan to do it his way then putting in loads of bluescarf smileys

Haha! planet swamp not up to much then? I totally understand why you like this forum as Cardiff have a bigger fan base to have a chat with

Wanting the Swansea BLUEprint is hardly original as all SMALL teams want that model. C'mon Tan, dream to do it your way

He is doing it his way you silly quim , and you're quite right the SMALL teams can look how we've succeeded and it will give then a blueprint to work too
Classic calling for tan to do it his way then putting in loads of bluescarf smileys

Haha! planet swamp not up to much then? I totally understand why you like this forum as Cardiff have a bigger fan base to have a chat with

Jesus Christ! I've just noticed your a moderator of this site! Oh FFS!

"i'M JUST A TEENAGE DIRTBAG BABY"!

The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term.

You've had far more managers than we have over recent seasons

Secondly, buying/selling players on a whim? What are you on about? Again, haven't you just had a rather big transformation of your squad?

What a whopper.

isnt it 6 managers in 9 years they've had? give or take a year changing squads is always an ongoing process, but swapping managers so frequently doesnt sound like a stable set up? playing wise yes but each to there own mmmm

Ha ha another corker from Pembroke Allan ..... Sounds a funny little man

whats so funny is it not true about managers? and is it a stable set up with so many manager changes? playing wise yes good set up so you little troll try winding up a clockwork orange! you might be better at it you ****** ++++

Thanks for the thoughtful and intelligent replies but I will try once more . if not Swansea what Club do you believe Cardiff should try to emulate on and off the field , bearing in mind the relative size of the Club , previous responders need not reply

The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term.

Care to comment on this whopper? Why are you banging on about manager, when since 2005.. We've had 3 permanent managers & you have had 6?

What's that about stability and no more hiring managers?

Twice in two days ive had to stand up for them but Swansea have a remarkable record when it comes to sacking managers actually, i just checked the details and they only fired 1 in the last 12 years, and that was Laudrup.

Going under and taking local business with you then do it on the cheap without a thought of all the locals the jacks screwed sorry I dont think that is the right way.

I would rather stay where we are than say we copied the Jacks now this proves Tan is totally out of touch with us

The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term.

Care to comment on this whopper? Why are you banging on about manager, when since 2005.. We've had 3 permanent managers & you have had 6?

What's that about stability and no more hiring managers?

I'll do you the courtesy of replying to your comment if you will do the same for me . unlikely but here goes

Since 2005 (your datum point ) Swansea have had
1, Kenny Jackett resigned
2.Kevin Nugent who was caretaker for a couple of games until Martinez took over who left the club for Wigan now Everton
3.Sousa left by mutual consent who incidentally was a great defensive coach
3.Brendan Rodgers now manger of Liverpool as I'm sure most on here will be aware of
4.Michael Laudrup ,Recently sacked .
Out of all those mangers one has been sacked, others went either by mutual consent on went onto other roles at other clubs. the constant has been the Board with joint owner ship which has been in post since Petty left with flea behind hits year ,
Consistency and steady growth both on and off the pitch.

I'd be interested in your response to the question who if not Swansea would your consider to be a model to follow ?

The Club cannot continue hiring / firing Managers and buying / selling players on a whim , some stability is needed and not for short term.

Care to comment on this whopper? Why are you banging on about manager, when since 2005.. We've had 3 permanent managers & you have had 6?

What's that about stability and no more hiring managers?

I'll do you the courtesy of replying to your comment if you will do the same for me . unlikely but here goes

Since 2005 (your datum point ) Swansea have had
1, Kenny Jackett resigned
2.Kevin Nugent who was caretaker for a couple of games until Martinez took over who left the club for Wigan now Everton
3.Sousa left by mutual consent who incidentally was a great defensive coach
3.Brendan Rodgers now manger of Liverpool as I'm sure most on here will be aware of
4.Michael Laudrup ,Recently sacked .
Out of all those mangers one has been sacked, others went either by mutual consent on went onto other roles at other clubs. the constant has been the Board with joint owner ship which has been in post since Petty left with flea behind hits year ,
Consistency and steady growth both on and off the pitch.

I'd be interested in your response to the question who if not Swansea would your consider to be a model to follow ?

Right, here goes the voice of reason:

Swansea have sacked 1 manager since 2005. Fact.
All managers who left have gone on to manage other clubs, in most cases, an "upward" move in terms of league profile.
No one person owns SCFC. In fact, it is part owned by the supporters' trust.
Omelettes and eggs: It took a major catastrophe to prompt a steady recovery and rebuilding at SCFC.
The club runs at a profit.

Ok, so just because Bluebirds fans don't like these facts, it doesn't mean that we should ignore the facts and make ourselves look silly. There is a strong case of 'The Emperor's Clothes' about this behaviour and I want no part in it.

For the record, this is the only sensible thing Tan has said for ages (apart from sacking 2 managers for good reasons within a year). The problem is that if the Swans model is to work, we'd need a chairman who has football knowledge. That is not the case.

Now then, can we get some proper pro-Cardiff threads going rather than sniping at the neighbours?

I'll do you the courtesy of replying to your comment if you will do the same for me . unlikely but here goes

Since 2005 (your datum point ) Swansea have had
1, Kenny Jackett resigned
2.Kevin Nugent who was caretaker for a couple of games until Martinez took over who left the club for Wigan now Everton
3.Sousa left by mutual consent who incidentally was a great defensive coach
3.Brendan Rodgers now manger of Liverpool as I'm sure most on here will be aware of
4.Michael Laudrup ,Recently sacked .
Out of all those mangers one has been sacked, others went either by mutual consent on went onto other roles at other clubs. the constant has been the Board with joint owner ship which has been in post since Petty left with flea behind hits year ,
Consistency and steady growth both on and off the pitch.

I'd be interested in your response to the question who if not Swansea would your consider to be a model to follow ?

Whether they were sacked or left is irrelevant... You can't come on here and bang on about manager ins and outs saying it cannot continue, when you've have double the number of permanent managers we've had in recent times.

Hypocritical at best.

I'll do you the courtesy of replying to your comment if you will do the same for me . unlikely but here goes

Since 2005 (your datum point ) Swansea have had
1, Kenny Jackett resigned
2.Kevin Nugent who was caretaker for a couple of games until Martinez took over who left the club for Wigan now Everton
3.Sousa left by mutual consent who incidentally was a great defensive coach
3.Brendan Rodgers now manger of Liverpool as I'm sure most on here will be aware of
4.Michael Laudrup ,Recently sacked .
Out of all those mangers one has been sacked, others went either by mutual consent on went onto other roles at other clubs. the constant has been the Board with joint owner ship which has been in post since Petty left with flea behind hits year ,
Consistency and steady growth both on and off the pitch.

I'd be interested in your response to the question who if not Swansea would your consider to be a model to follow ?

Whether they were sacked or left is irrelevant... You can't come on here and bang on about manager ins and outs saying it cannot continue, when you've have double the number of permanent managers we've had in recent times.

Hypocritical at best.

Barry, how can it be irrelevant? If a manager is sacked it's usually because things aren't going well. If a manager moves to another (usually more successful) club it's because the opposite applies. So take into context the original point, and you have to say it's very relevant.

Barry, how can it be irrelevant? If a manager is sacked it's usually because things aren't going well. If a manager moves to another (usually more successful) club it's because the opposite applies. So take into context the original point, and you have to say it's very relevant.

It's absolutely irrelevant. You can't have a pop at Cardiff for the manager changes, when your club has recently had double the number of permanent mangers we have had....

How they leave is totally irrelevant, the facts are you've had double the managers. Either the poster is a new fan of yours, or he doesn't realise that you've had for more managers recently.

BC, hold your hands up mate. Set an example as mod, this is the kind of stuff that lets this board down.

Barry, how can it be irrelevant? If a manager is sacked it's usually because things aren't going well. If a manager moves to another (usually more successful) club it's because the opposite applies. So take into context the original point, and you have to say it's very relevant.

It's absolutely irrelevant. You can't have a pop at Cardiff for the manager changes, when your club has recently had double the number of permanent mangers we have had....

How they leave is totally irrelevant, the facts are you've had double the managers. Either the poster is a new fan of yours, or he doesn't realise that you've had for more managers recently.

Baz mun don't be daft we are getting our managers poached by bigger teams because huw Jenkins is making the right appointments , your sacking yours because your making the wrong ones how can that be irrelevant , surely you can see you're making yourself look like a dick again

Barry, how can it be irrelevant? If a manager is sacked it's usually because things aren't going well. If a manager moves to another (usually more successful) club it's because the opposite applies. So take into context the original point, and you have to say it's very relevant.

It's absolutely irrelevant. You can't have a pop at Cardiff for the manager changes, when your club has recently had double the number of permanent mangers we have had....

How they leave is totally irrelevant, the facts are you've had double the managers. Either the poster is a new fan of yours, or he doesn't realise that you've had for more managers recently.

Oh Dear.

This is not a winner in my book.

The situation down the road is totally different and we all know that (hard as it is to stomach).

We have just sacked 2 managers within a year. MM for improper conduct and OGS for a lack of progress. DJ was sacked too after getting to a major cup final and playoffs. Each manager's stock was damaged by the departure.

What has happened down the road was by-and-large developmental apart from Laudrup. Each manager left and went to manage elsewhere. 2 of them now manage top PL sides. We can't hold a light to that so why not stop giving ammunition and fuelling the fire?

Is it irrelevant? Maybe, if we don't want to be financially sound and progressive. Managers have careers as well as players, so when one leaves for pastures new, that may be difficult, but it is right to wish them well and move ahead.

Baz mun don't be daft we are getting our managers poached by bigger teams because huw Jenkins is making the right appointments , your sacking yours because your making the wrong ones how can that be irrelevant , surely you can see you're making yourself look like a dick again

Poached or sacked, it doesn't make a difference... The high turnover of managers is still there.

All 52 suggested was the high turnover of managers affecting stability.... Swansea have a higher turnover of manager, therefore making 52 rather hypocritical.

He then started banging on about squad stability too... Haven't you just had a rather big squad shake up yourself?

Baz mun don't be daft we are getting our managers poached by bigger teams because huw Jenkins is making the right appointments , your sacking yours because your making the wrong ones how can that be irrelevant , surely you can see you're making yourself look like a dick again

Poached or sacked, it doesn't make a difference... The high turnover of managers is still there.

All 52 suggested was the high turnover of managers affecting stability.... Swansea have a higher turnover of manager, therefore making 52 rather hypocritical.

He then started banging on about squad stability too... Haven't you just had a rather big squad shake up yourself?

I'll agree to disagree with you on the managers' turnover issue.

You are right about the squad stability. SCFC have had a major overhaul in the Summer. Where they are more successful (or lucky whichever you think) is that they seem to engender the same philosophy and playing style whatever the changes on or off the field. That is where I am envious. Each time we change managers and players, there seems to be a change of tactics, style, etc. and it takes valuable game time to embed.

To be clear, I don't want Cardiff to be like Swansea, but there are positives which I would love to emulate or adapt and adopt. I want a personal club ethos (dare I say it a brand although nothing to do with the colour).