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ashley williams being world class is laughable.


They have some good players swansea, and obviously have a better squad than us you cant really deny that, but i wouldnt put any of their players in the world class bracket to be fair.

He's a captain of a country playing on the world stage with the best defensive stats in the best league in the world. Not much more to say.

I'm not sure how anyone can say Michu isn't world class.

firstly, you are talking about players who havent played at the highest level, personally i dont think anyone who hasnt played against europes finest can be called world class.

Williams might well move on and do well, however there are defenders at teams in the top 4 i wouldnt define as world class so this is by no means a yardstick. At present he is the captain of nothing more or less than a mid table premier league team.

Michu has had a good season, but its just 1, and he has been flagging for a few months now. if he comes back next season and scores 20+ goals next season ill agree with you.

the term 'world class' gts thrown about too easily.

the fact that Williams is captain of Wales means nothing.

ashley williams being world class is laughable.


They have some good players swansea, and obviously have a better squad than us you cant really deny that, but i wouldnt put any of their players in the world class bracket to be fair.

He's a captain of a country playing on the world stage with the best defensive stats in the best league in the world. Not much more to say.

I'm not sure how anyone can say Michu isn't world class.

I have. You use the fact that Williams is playing for his country on the world stage is prt of the reason for being "world class" - yet then say the fact that Michu hasn't played international football doesn't make any difference.

I gave it as "part" of the reason, not "the" reason. I wasn't basing my opinion solely in his international caps.

The reason Williams is world class is the fact he has the best defensive stats in the best league in the world. Simple as that.

As for Michu he's unfortunate to be Spanish that play one striker and their midfield includes xabi alonso, iniesta, xavi and silva.

Exactly - those examples are players that a World Class, not Michu. He's very good, excellent in fact. Still, not world class.

Premiership isn't the best league in the world anymore & Williams is not the best defender in it.

All opinions of course, although the way you are talking here it's as if they are firm facts.

Illogical for you maybe. For me, it's illogical that a player can be described as world class, yet has no international caps.

You have just said your opinion on the standard of the league yet dressed it up as fact.

The premier league is described widely as the best league in the world, Williams has been the best performer to date. He's world class simple as that.

As we have established, basing your opinion on Michu on one mans opinion is silly really. He'd stroll into most international sides in the world, he currently has xabi, xavi, silva and xabi alonso to oust in the national set up. There's politics in Spanish international management and calling up a player from Swansea to oust a player from Barca would be a brave move.

He's the highest scoring Spanish player in all top leagues and was highest scoring midfielder of any nationality in la liga last year (of which I assume you think is the best league in the world). Alex ferguson amongst other top rated managers and pundits alike believe he is world class and his stats back that notion up.

You are entitled to your opinion of course but you can't really deny performance based facts.

I never post when I see Paxman included in the thread as I believe he's a pretentious fake and to be honest I believe he talks shite often.

I'll make an exception today....... I have always believed Ashley Williams to be over rated. Because Liverpool rate him that doesn't mean we all should. If my memory is correct didn't Liverpool pay over the odds for another swansea town player and what became of him exactly?

Best league in the world? lol ....let's skip Spain eh? (Germany closing in fast)

As for Michu.....a great first season, it can't be all luck but hardly world class.

As for swandea town in general, a great season for them but let's see what comes next season......another new manager, palyers leaving? Let's keep Newcastle in mind from last season.

I for one am glad City and town will be in the premiership and both stay up. Anything to keep "chase the egg" in the shade!

ashley williams being world class is laughable.


They have some good players swansea, and obviously have a better squad than us you cant really deny that, but i wouldnt put any of their players in the world class bracket to be fair.

He's a captain of a country playing on the world stage with the best defensive stats in the best league in the world. Not much more to say.

I'm not sure how anyone can say Michu isn't world class.

firstly, you are talking about players who havent played at the highest level, personally i dont think anyone who hasnt played against europes finest can be called world class.

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Michu was part of the side that beat the European champions over two legs this year (scoring along the way). Williams was part of the defence that kept them out for 180 mins +.

Best league in the world? lol ....let's skip Spain eh? (Germany closing in fast)

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The Spanish league to which Michu was highest scoring midfielder in last year you mean?

Oh right

Premiership isn't the best league in the world anymore & Williams is not the best defender in it.

All opinions of course, although the way you are talking here it's as if they are firm facts.

Illogical for you maybe. For me, it's illogical that a player can be described as world class, yet has no international caps.

You have just said your opinion on the standard of the league yet dressed it up as fact.

Which is exactly what you have done this whole thread.

The premier league is described widely as the best league in the world, Williams has been the best performer to date. He's world class simple as that.

Again, more opinions dressed up as facts. I think it's widely accepted that the premier league isn't what it was 5/6 years ago.

As we have established, basing your opinion on Michu on one mans opinion is silly really. He'd stroll into most international sides in the world, he currently has xabi, xavi, silva and xabi alonso to oust in the national set up. There's politics in Spanish international management and calling up a player from Swansea to oust a player from Barca would be a brave move.

Still, those players are world class and it would be unlikely that he would "oust" one of them anyway. Big difference between an excellent player like Michu & world class talent like the other names mentioned.

He's the highest scoring Spanish player in all top leagues and was highest scoring midfielder of any nationality in la liga last year (of which I assume you think is the best league in the world). Alex ferguson amongst other top rated managers and pundits alike believe he is world class and his stats back that notion up.

Haven't heard one pundit describe him in this way. They've praised him, he totally deserves it too, but nothing like "world class". The Spanish manager clearly doesn't fancy him that much though. He's been to see him, yet still can't even get a call up. Not even on the bench/squad? Now that is a fact.

You are entitled to your opinion of course but you can't really deny performance based facts.

ashley williams being world class is laughable.


They have some good players swansea, and obviously have a better squad than us you cant really deny that, but i wouldnt put any of their players in the world class bracket to be fair.

He's a captain of a country playing on the world stage with the best defensive stats in the best league in the world. Not much more to say.

I'm not sure how anyone can say Michu isn't world class.

firstly, you are talking about players who havent played at the highest level, personally i dont think anyone who hasnt played against europes finest can be called world class.

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Michu was part of the side that beat the European champions over two legs this year (scoring along the way). Williams was part of the defence that kept them out for 180 mins +.

nice of you to just pick part of my post........


matthews was part of a team that beat barcelona this year, does that make him world class?

ashley williams being world class is laughable.


They have some good players swansea, and obviously have a better squad than us you cant really deny that, but i wouldnt put any of their players in the world class bracket to be fair.

He's a captain of a country playing on the world stage with the best defensive stats in the best league in the world. Not much more to say.

I'm not sure how anyone can say Michu isn't world class.

firstly, you are talking about players who havent played at the highest level, personally i dont think anyone who hasnt played against europes finest can be called world class.

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Michu was part of the side that beat the European champions over two legs this year (scoring along the way). Williams was part of the defence that kept them out for 180 mins +.

Give you that much Paxman you don't half grind it out.

Yes Chelsea are the present European champions but the Chelsea of today that played the Jacks are a different side. It was Drogba that saved them in that game and went on to win it for them. Drogba is no longer at Chelsea so you can't really say the Jacks beat the European champions can you because it was not the same team.

You can use facts to suit your argument.

It's almost as if the jacks forget they only got to the premiership via the lottery, their success could happen to anyone.

It's almost as if the jacks forget they only got to the premiership via the lottery, their success could happen to anyone.

It's almost as if the jacks forget they only got to the premiership via the lottery, their success could happen to anyone.

Premiership isn't the best league in the world anymore & Williams is not the best defender in it.

All opinions of course, although the way you are talking here it's as if they are firm facts.

Illogical for you maybe. For me, it's illogical that a player can be described as world class, yet has no international caps.

You have just said your opinion on the standard of the league yet dressed it up as fact.

Which is exactly what you have done this whole thread.

ive tried to deal in facts the best I can. I don't see where I've dressed opinion up as fact, not to a point where it would deter from the point of discussion.

The premier league is described widely as the best league in the world, Williams has been the best performer to date. He's world class simple as that.

Again, more opinions dressed up as facts. I think it's widely accepted that the premier league isn't what it was 5/6 years ago.

that's not opinion. Opta have him as the best defender in the premier league this season based on tackles and interceptions. Whether you believe the premier league is the best or second best league in the world doesn't really matter, he's the best performing defender in it.

As we have established, basing your opinion on Michu on one mans opinion is silly really. He'd stroll into most international sides in the world, he currently has xabi, xavi, silva and xabi alonso to oust in the national set up. There's politics in Spanish international management and calling up a player from Swansea to oust a player from Barca would be a brave move.

Still, those players are world class and it would be unlikely that he would "oust" one of them anyway. Big difference between an excellent player like Michu & world class talent like the other names mentioned.

the only difference I see is del bosque giving them a call up. Their performances don't suggest there is a difference at all. Look at silva and look at Michu as they are both in the same league. Michu has out performed silva yet doesn't get a call up, probably based in the fact he doesn't play for one of the big guns. That's very dismissive to think that it's due to his lack of talent. If it was then he wouldn't be sat just behind van oersie and Suarez in the scoring charts and the highest scoring Spanish player in any of the top leagues.

He's the highest scoring Spanish player in all top leagues and was highest scoring midfielder of any nationality in la liga last year (of which I assume you think is the best league in the world). Alex ferguson amongst other top rated managers and pundits alike believe he is world class and his stats back that notion up.

Haven't heard one pundit describe him in this way. They've praised him, he totally deserves it too, but nothing like "world class". The Spanish manager clearly doesn't fancy him that much though. He's been to see him, yet still can't even get a call up. Not even on the bench/squad? Now that is a fact.


i have, ill try and find a link now. I can offer you a link that says del bosque thinks Michu deserves a call up though?



You are entitled to your opinion of course but you can't really deny performance based facts.

ashley williams being world class is laughable.


They have some good players swansea, and obviously have a better squad than us you cant really deny that, but i wouldnt put any of their players in the world class bracket to be fair.

He's a captain of a country playing on the world stage with the best defensive stats in the best league in the world. Not much more to say.

I'm not sure how anyone can say Michu isn't world class.

firstly, you are talking about players who havent played at the highest level, personally i dont think anyone who hasnt played against europes finest can be called world class.

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Michu was part of the side that beat the European champions over two legs this year (scoring along the way). Williams was part of the defence that kept them out for 180 mins +.

Give you that much Paxman you don't half grind it out.

Yes Chelsea are the present European champions but the Chelsea of today that played the Jacks are a different side. It was Drogba that saved them in that game and went on to win it for them. Drogba is no longer at Chelsea so you can't really say the Jacks beat the European champions can you because it was not the same team.

You can use facts to suit your argument.

What? That's a crazy view point. Are you saying man city aren't the current champions coz Balotelli isn't there?

Cheksea have since added hazard, Oscar and demba Ba and are performing far better than last year.

It's almost as if the jacks forget they only got to the premiership via the lottery, their success could happen to anyone.

How is it a lottery

They finished 3rd and beat every side they faced in the play offs by 2 clear goals. They got promoted after playing 49 games, automatic gets you promoted after playing 46.

Best league in the world? lol ....let's skip Spain eh? (Germany closing in fast)

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The Spanish league to which Michu was highest scoring midfielder in last year you mean?

Oh right

I wasn't looking for a debate......I was pointing out that the premiership isn't the best league in the world.....in my opinion.

Now I'll move on if you don't mind, this was a one off. Don't push your luck.

World class players.

Do you disagree chuckles? Surprised by that to be honest.

Ashley Williams is probably the best Center back in the league at the moment and is the subject of a £10 million bid by arsenal and Liverpool. Michu is the highest scoring Spanish players in any of the top leagues and widely tipped for a call up to the most successful international side in the history of football. Only Suarez and van Persie has scored more than him in the premier league.

Funniest thing I have ever read in my entire life!!

Somebody is making a dick of themselves on here claiming Swansea have world class players. Some of their players are international class admittedly but world class don't make me laugh. How many of them would be first choice in a British eleven let alone world eleven.
What we have on here is a world class prick!!!!!

Best league in the world? lol ....let's skip Spain eh? (Germany closing in fast)

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The Spanish league to which Michu was highest scoring midfielder in last year you mean?

Oh right

I wasn't looking for a debate......I was pointing out that the premiership isn't the best league in the world.....in my opinion.

Now I'll move on if you don't mind, this was a one off. Don't push your luck.

And the one you said was just so happened that Michu was the highest goal scoring midfielder in last year

Somebody is making a dick of themselves on here claiming Swansea have world class players. Some of their players are international class admittedly but world class don't make me laugh. How many of them would be first choice in a British eleven let alone world eleven.
What we have on here is a world class prick!!!!!

If you don't think Williams would be in a British side then I'd like some of what you are smoking

Swans have 3 world class players Vorm, Williams and Michu.

I don't think Williams would get into a British 11 either. I don't think any of them would get in the world 11.

Michu can't even get into his own countries squad, never mind the 11. Which shows he isn't world class YET.

Somebody is making a dick of themselves on here claiming Swansea have world class players. Some of their players are international class admittedly but world class don't make me laugh. How many of them would be first choice in a British eleven let alone world eleven.
What we have on here is a world class prick!!!!!

If you don't think Williams would be in a British side then I'd like some of what you are smoking

Swans have 3 world class players Vorm, Williams and Michu.

Chris Smalling, Michael Dawson, Gary Cahill, Rio Ferdinand, Joleon Lescott ... Are all much, much, MUCH better centre halves than Williams and will be ahead of him in a british side

Somebody is making a dick of themselves on here claiming Swansea have world class players. Some of their players are international class admittedly but world class don't make me laugh. How many of them would be first choice in a British eleven let alone world eleven.
What we have on here is a world class prick!!!!!

If you don't think Williams would be in a British side then I'd like some of what you are smoking

Swans have 3 world class players Vorm, Williams and Michu.

Comedy Gold

The only thing that's world class about the jacks is the twats that follow them

Somebody is making a dick of themselves on here claiming Swansea have world class players. Some of their players are international class admittedly but world class don't make me laugh. How many of them would be first choice in a British eleven let alone world eleven.
What we have on here is a world class prick!!!!!

If you don't think Williams would be in a British side then I'd like some of what you are smoking

Swans have 3 world class players Vorm, Williams and Michu.

Chris Smalling, Michael Dawson, Gary Cahill, Rio Ferdinand, Joleon Lescott ... Are all much, much, MUCH better centre halves than Williams and will be ahead of him in a british side

What the hell?

Not sure which part of "Ashley Williams IS the best performing Center back in the premier league" is confusing you. This is fact not opinion.

As for smalling, Dawson lescott and Ferdinand being better than Williams... I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Good shout with Cahill, but he's still behind Williams in terms of tackles won %, blocks and interceptions %.

Somebody is making a dick of themselves on here claiming Swansea have world class players. Some of their players are international class admittedly but world class don't make me laugh. How many of them would be first choice in a British eleven let alone world eleven.
What we have on here is a world class prick!!!!!

If you don't think Williams would be in a British side then I'd like some of what you are smoking

Swans have 3 world class players Vorm, Williams and Michu.

Comedy Gold

1) Michael Vorm is wanted by Barca and was one of the best ( in fact I think the best) performing goalkeeper last season, injury has kept him out this season.

2) Williams is the best performing defender in the premier league and is the subject of £12m interest from Arsenal and Liverpool.

3) Michu, on the verge if a call up to the most successful international side in history. Was top midfield goalscorer in la liga last year, 3rd highest goalscorer in the Prem this year and highest scoring Spanish player in any top flight.

Speaks for itself.

just as well the england team isnt picked on stats then isnt it or leon britton would be in the side as well

just as well the england team isnt picked on stats then isnt it or leon britton would be in the side as well

And certainly should be. Unfortunately for England they have roy hodgeson as manager who found it justifiable to call up the likes of Stirling

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... mbley.html

I love how you rely on a manager's opinion for certain players, they totally disregard another manager's opinion because it doesn't agree with yours.

Almost as good as saying Williams playing for his country contributes to him being "world class", yet Michu NOT playing for his country has no effect.

ashley williams being world class is laughable.


They have some good players swansea, and obviously have a better squad than us you cant really deny that, but i wouldnt put any of their players in the world class bracket to be fair.

He's a captain of a country playing on the world stage with the best defensive stats in the best league in the world. Not much more to say.

I'm not sure how anyone can say Michu isn't world class.

firstly, you are talking about players who havent played at the highest level, personally i dont think anyone who hasnt played against europes finest can be called world class.

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Michu was part of the side that beat the European champions over two legs this year (scoring along the way). Williams was part of the defence that kept them out for 180 mins +.

Give you that much Paxman you don't half grind it out.

Yes Chelsea are the present European champions but the Chelsea of today that played the Jacks are a different side. It was Drogba that saved them in that game and went on to win it for them. Drogba is no longer at Chelsea so you can't really say the Jacks beat the European champions can you because it was not the same team.

You can use facts to suit your argument.

And look where Man City are now and do tell me how far Chelsea got in this season's champions league.

Both teams are obvously not as goog ad last season.

What? That's a crazy view point. Are you saying man city aren't the current champions coz Balotelli isn't there?

Cheksea have since added hazard, Oscar and demba Ba and are performing far better than last year.